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yurume
2021-10-16 05:58:20
fun fact: it can also mean the Ministry of Education in several countries
_wb_
2021-10-16 06:16:51
NEEDS MOE JXL
2021-10-16 06:18:43
Oh, that tld actually is intended specifically for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moe_(slang)
190n
2021-10-16 06:32:51
oh i never knew
lithium
2021-10-16 06:53:07
In previous discuss _wb_ say some manga,drawing content not suitable DCT A little curious, what drawing features suitable DCT? and what drawing features suitable non-DCT lossy? Like this gold hair anime girl image, this drawing suitable DCT?
yurume
2021-10-16 07:01:36
isn't the crisp edge equivalent to step functions, which need the infinite bandwidth?
2021-10-16 07:03:49
(which makes Haar transform appealing for non-photographic materials AFAIK)
_wb_
2021-10-16 07:04:38
Hard edges between solid color regions are kind of expensive for DCT and cheap for other methods like even simple RLE
lithium
2021-10-16 07:17:00
I compare jxl lossy and avif lossy for anime,drawing content, in previous manga case(file size inflate issue), even I increase option sharpness to 3, av1 file size still not too much affect. I guess av1 probably use local palette on whole image, and not use DCT for those content(hard edge,line)? but for grain or tiny detail av1 need lower q to preserve those content.
_wb_
2021-10-16 07:20:41
Av1 has palette blocks, they can do up to 8 shades per channel (so up to `8*8*8` colors, but has to be at most 8 different shades each of Y, Cb and Cr)
lithium
2021-10-16 07:35:50
I tested Haar-like transform (lossy modular) before, lossy modular Q95 and 90 is good for drawing, but can't compress too much for file size, if I compare other lossy method.
2021-10-16 07:40:43
For now still have a lot of anime,drawing convert to jpeg(DCT), if jxl can implement some improve for those content, that will be really useful.
2021-10-16 10:03:36
India pizza ๐Ÿ˜›
2021-10-16 10:03:47
๐Ÿ˜›
w
2021-10-16 10:40:35
how desirable is a bot that posts embed links for jxl files?
diskorduser
2021-10-16 06:13:48
Going to flash android 12 on my phone. Let's see how avif works on it
novomesk
diskorduser Going to flash android 12 on my phone. Let's see how avif works on it
2021-10-16 08:21:48
Please test if more than yuv420 works. On my Android 11, only subset of HEIF/HEIC images works. I don't know how complete AVIF support in Android 12 is
_wb_
2021-10-16 08:27:43
If it's libgav1, so software decode, I would expect it to have no problem with 444 and 12-bit, but I dunno. The real question is if it will still work once hardware decode gets used...
improver
2021-10-16 10:56:02
<https://mangadex.org/title/259dfd8a-f06a-4825-8fa6-a2dcd7274230/yofukashi-no-uta> liking this manga quite a lot so far
diskorduser
2021-10-17 02:27:28
12 bit heif ๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†
2021-10-17 02:29:32
10b q85 heif
nathanielcwm
2021-10-17 05:30:49
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/808742092213715034/899003009776902245/unknown.png?width=551&height=640
diskorduser 12 bit heif ๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†
2021-10-17 05:31:10
free paper test at the top
spider-mario
2021-10-17 10:28:01
I sense that it is time to listen to https://youtu.be/yO7MWuJ7zLA again
_wb_
2021-10-17 11:16:54
yurume
2021-10-17 01:07:54
~~Canine?~~ (realized that K-9 *is* canine, in the police)
diskorduser
2021-10-17 01:45:48
Android heif is stupid, it can't even decode 8bit 444. ๐Ÿ˜ฎโ€๐Ÿ’จ
_wb_
2021-10-17 02:01:26
Does it use hw decode?
diskorduser
2021-10-17 02:01:35
What a stupid file format, doesn't even look better than mozjpeg but file is 2x size of mozjpeg
_wb_ Does it use hw decode?
2021-10-17 02:03:20
Idk, how to find that?
_wb_
2021-10-17 02:51:19
No idea, but maybe there are patent reasons for using hw decoding only, and it would explain why 444 doesn't work
Fraetor
2021-10-17 02:52:15
Or maybe android just does HW without software fallback.
diskorduser
2021-10-17 02:53:28
yuv420 landscape pictures look bad. Who thought it was a good idea to use 420 by default
_wb_
2021-10-17 02:53:43
My macbook pro does the same thing btw: 444 fails to decode
2021-10-17 02:54:03
So in practice, heic is just like webp a 420 only codec
2021-10-17 02:54:37
And I suspect avif is going to be the same once hw decode becomes common
diskorduser
2021-10-17 02:56:04
So my only hope is jxl for good pictures. ( ๏ฝฅเธฑ๏น๏ฝฅเธฑ)
_wb_
diskorduser yuv420 landscape pictures look bad. Who thought it was a good idea to use 420 by default
2021-10-17 02:56:51
Video codec designers, and some bandwidth-obsessed web perf people
Fox Wizard
2021-10-17 03:14:19
420 <a:FrogStab:821038589345136682>
diskorduser
2021-10-17 03:21:14
Atleast it should decode 444 on software.
spider-mario
2021-10-17 07:29:26
I think I managed to generate an HDR HEIF, but my iPhone and iPad (which donโ€™t have HDR screens) donโ€™t seem to tone map it so the highlights are clipped
2021-10-17 07:29:49
2021-10-17 07:30:27
diskorduser
spider-mario
2021-10-18 12:41:56
Looks good on AOSP gallery app and Google photos
improver
2021-10-18 01:26:51
wont open on my phone :<
diskorduser
2021-10-18 02:10:46
Android 9?
2021-10-18 02:11:31
I have android 11
2021-10-18 03:59:15
veluca
_wb_ Video codec designers, and some bandwidth-obsessed web perf people
2021-10-18 05:54:18
tbh on very high density screens like mobile phones it may be hard to notice... (IDK yet, need to check still)
spider-mario
diskorduser
2021-10-18 09:37:36
I think it might be ignoring the colorspace information altogether, which happens to look okay anyway because itโ€™s P3-HLG
2021-10-18 09:37:47
(and not just okay but indeed better than whatever iOS is doing)
2021-10-18 09:38:34
the use of P3 primaries means that if that information is lost / ignored, and the colors interpreted with Rec. 709 primaries, they arenโ€™t as desaturated as if it was encoded with Rec. 2020 primaries instead
diskorduser
2021-10-18 09:55:11
Ok. Could you make one without p3?
spider-mario
2021-10-18 09:58:33
I wasnโ€™t able to ๐Ÿ˜… `CGColorSpace(name: CGColorSpace.itur_2100_HLG)` returned nil, it only worked with `CGColorSpace.displayP3_HLG`
2021-10-18 09:58:38
but maybe I missed something obvious
2021-10-18 09:58:49
it was my first time writing anything in Swift or with Core Image
2021-10-18 10:10:31
what I can do is send a PNG or JPEG without ICC profile to see if it displayed the same
2021-10-18 10:12:25
improver
diskorduser Android 9?
2021-10-18 10:13:29
11 too
spider-mario
2021-10-18 10:18:31
and this is with an ICC profile with P3 primaries but sRGB transfer function instead of HLG
diskorduser
2021-10-20 09:06:43
https://9gag.com/gag/aEpe3Nn
improver <https://mangadex.org/title/259dfd8a-f06a-4825-8fa6-a2dcd7274230/yofukashi-no-uta> liking this manga quite a lot so far
2021-10-20 11:31:49
I see blank pages in chapter 8.5.
2021-10-20 11:32:21
Have you finished reading it?
improver
2021-10-20 11:33:16
8.5 are extras
diskorduser
2021-10-20 11:33:31
So it's useless?
2021-10-20 11:33:45
Unnecessary for story?
improver
2021-10-20 11:34:09
usually .5 "chapters" are unnecessary for story, yes
diskorduser
2021-10-20 11:34:17
Okay
improver
2021-10-20 11:34:34
sometimes they include some extra mini stories or author's drawings, etc
2021-10-20 11:35:17
its kind of marking used for "inbetween chapters content"
2021-10-20 11:36:48
ones at the end of volumes can include content from anywhere of volume
2021-10-20 11:37:30
in this case these blank pages were probably used as chapter separators
Scope
2021-10-20 06:40:38
๐Ÿค” https://twitter.com/code/status/1450853494949244929
diskorduser
2021-10-21 05:46:40
Nice browser extension https://youtu.be/ReXFKSu21Mc
Deleted User
2021-10-21 06:08:09
Fox Wizard
2021-10-22 09:01:46
Does anyone have an example image of a native high bit depth PNG? Wonder which optimizers lower it and which don't
diskorduser
2021-10-22 09:14:02
Just make one from dng file?
veluca
2021-10-22 09:27:18
you can find some on imagecompression.info
Fox Wizard
2021-10-22 11:21:15
Hm, that website works. No idea what exactly those files are, but at least Photoshop can import them
veluca
2021-10-22 11:41:31
they are https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netpbm
2021-10-22 11:41:36
easiest format ever ๐Ÿ˜„
Deleted User
2021-10-22 02:18:43
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S0FDjFBj8o
diskorduser
2021-10-22 04:52:06
https://paletton.com/
2021-10-22 04:55:47
https://color.adobe.com
_wb_
2021-10-22 07:30:01
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-59011271
improver
2021-10-22 08:12:55
twitter's algo favours drama and right-leaning politics have more of that, yes
spider-mario
2021-10-22 10:27:43
the new 14" and 16" MacBook Pro seem to have very nice displays
w
2021-10-22 10:44:36
oh yeah my surface pro 8 came in yesterday
2021-10-22 10:44:45
edid profile claims 100% coverage of srgb
2021-10-22 10:44:52
measured it and it was 98%
2021-10-22 10:45:45
but what I found confusing is that they include 2 profiles, 1 for srgb and one for "vivid"
2021-10-22 10:46:58
I dislike how they almost encourage people to use inaccurate colours
190n
2021-10-22 10:50:10
i'm guessing "vivid" = interpreting srgb colors as p3 or something?
w
2021-10-22 10:50:25
I think it's just srgb as displays gamut
190n
2021-10-22 10:50:52
macbooks have had p3 displays for a while but afaik macos has actually good color management so srgb stuff still looks correct
w
2021-10-22 10:51:30
compared to say, Samsung who labels srgb as "natural". I think more people who don't know about colours would pick natural over vivid compared to srgb over vivid.
2021-10-22 10:52:09
yeah colour management on windows 11 is broken right now so it's funny there's even an option
2021-10-22 10:52:47
the current way to fix it (on release 22000) is to set the system wide default color profile
190n
w compared to say, Samsung who labels srgb as "natural". I think more people who don't know about colours would pick natural over vivid compared to srgb over vivid.
2021-10-22 10:53:00
honestly most people (if they even found the page in settings) would try both and choose the one they think looks better, which would quite possibly be vivid, even if it's wrong
spider-mario
190n macbooks have had p3 displays for a while but afaik macos has actually good color management so srgb stuff still looks correct
2021-10-22 10:55:43
yeah, from what I understand, color management on macOS is done by the system itself by default
2021-10-22 10:55:58
apps tell the OS what colorspace their content is in, and the system does the appropriate conversions
2021-10-22 10:56:37
apps can opt out by saying that their content is in โ€œDeviceRGBโ€ and requires no further conversion
2021-10-22 10:57:57
I have ordered one of the new macbooks models, Iโ€™ll try to report back (it should arrive in ~ a month)
2021-10-22 10:58:47
a new version of DaVinci Resolve just came out with support for outputting in HDR on them: https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/media/release/20211022-01#:~:text=HDR%20viewers%20are%20also%20supported%20on%20the%20new%20Apple%20MacBook%20HDR%C2%A0displays
2021-10-22 10:58:50
which is promising
The_Decryptor
2021-10-23 05:00:40
Windows is the same in HDR mode, in SDR mode it's left up to individual apps
nathanielcwm
The_Decryptor Windows is the same in HDR mode, in SDR mode it's left up to individual apps
2021-10-23 07:52:38
well windows hdr is kind of a mess afaik <:kekw:808717074305122316>
spider-mario
The_Decryptor Windows is the same in HDR mode, in SDR mode it's left up to individual apps
2021-10-23 08:05:55
I was aware that Windows does some HDR compositing of SDR apps, but I didnโ€™t realize that those SDR apps could also report their colorspace, is that new?
2021-10-23 08:06:15
my experience of trying out HDR on Windows is that everything looked wrong
2021-10-23 08:06:28
and I really mean everything
2021-10-23 08:06:47
SDR or HDR
diskorduser
spider-mario the new 14" and 16" MacBook Pro seem to have very nice displays
2021-10-23 08:31:54
But notch is too big. They could have reduce it to 1/3rd
The_Decryptor
nathanielcwm well windows hdr is kind of a mess afaik <:kekw:808717074305122316>
2021-10-23 09:10:33
The hardware's not much better, my monitor is "HDR" but enabling it is barely brighter than SDR mode and it locks out/disables half the features
nathanielcwm
2021-10-23 09:11:17
well that's not reallly a windows problem but a vesa problem <:kekw:808717074305122316>
The_Decryptor
spider-mario I was aware that Windows does some HDR compositing of SDR apps, but I didnโ€™t realize that those SDR apps could also report their colorspace, is that new?
2021-10-23 09:11:26
In SDR mode whatever pixel values they write get given as-is to the monitor, to handle it they need to find what monitor they're on, the profile for that one and then handle all the conversions themselves
nathanielcwm
nathanielcwm well that's not reallly a windows problem but a vesa problem <:kekw:808717074305122316>
2021-10-23 09:11:43
displayhdr 400 shouldn't exist
2021-10-23 09:12:04
except for oled but there's a completely separate standard for oled panels
The_Decryptor
2021-10-23 09:13:01
In HDR mode the monitor is assumed to handle Rec.2020 and Windows handles the colour space conversion from sRGB to that (Technically I think it uses whatever is set as the default profile, so you can change it to something like P3 and over-saturate SDR apps) when compositing
2021-10-23 09:13:50
Apps that are aware of HDR mode can then tag their windows as being in a specific colourspace, like scRGB or HDR10 + Rec.2020
nathanielcwm
2021-10-23 09:13:59
correct me if i'm wrong but iirc the display hdr 400 standard doesn't even require an 8 bit panel? afaik 6 bit + frc is still allowed on 400
spider-mario
The_Decryptor In SDR mode whatever pixel values they write get given as-is to the monitor, to handle it they need to find what monitor they're on, the profile for that one and then handle all the conversions themselves
2021-10-23 09:14:05
that part, I was aware of (I wrote the comparison tool and its color management in libjxl)
The_Decryptor In HDR mode the monitor is assumed to handle Rec.2020 and Windows handles the colour space conversion from sRGB to that (Technically I think it uses whatever is set as the default profile, so you can change it to something like P3 and over-saturate SDR apps) when compositing
2021-10-23 09:14:58
this part I was missing, thanks! I wasnโ€™t aware that it used the โ€œdefaultโ€ profile for that
2021-10-23 09:16:07
so basically, for a non-HDR-aware app to be rendered properly in HDR mode, it paradoxically must not do color management
2021-10-23 09:16:52
otherwise it will convert to the display profile and the output will likely be interpreted as sRGB instead of the displayโ€™s SDR color profile
2021-10-23 09:17:10
is that right?
2021-10-23 09:17:47
whereas it would have been better off just outputting to sRGB and letting Windows do its thing
w
2021-10-23 09:18:09
i hate hdr
spider-mario
2021-10-23 09:18:30
I like it in principle, but the current implementations have a lot of shortcomings, yeah
2021-10-23 09:18:50
https://crbug.com/1216691 ๐Ÿ˜ฆ
nathanielcwm
2021-10-23 09:19:26
lol
spider-mario
2021-10-23 09:20:26
from what I am reading online, macOS now seems to handle HDR very well: https://liftgammagain.com/forum/index.php?threads/apple-pro-display-xdr-for-color-grading.12846/page-13#:~:text=searing%20and%20horrific.-,Seeing%20a%20desktop%20HDR%20display%20with%20SDR%20and%20HDR%20content%20composited%20side%20by%20side%20was%20extremely%20satisfying.,-Alex%20Fry%2C%20Dec
nathanielcwm
spider-mario from what I am reading online, macOS now seems to handle HDR very well: https://liftgammagain.com/forum/index.php?threads/apple-pro-display-xdr-for-color-grading.12846/page-13#:~:text=searing%20and%20horrific.-,Seeing%20a%20desktop%20HDR%20display%20with%20SDR%20and%20HDR%20content%20composited%20side%20by%20side%20was%20extremely%20satisfying.,-Alex%20Fry%2C%20Dec
2021-10-23 09:20:45
but you need the pro display xdr specifically lol
The_Decryptor
nathanielcwm correct me if i'm wrong but iirc the display hdr 400 standard doesn't even require an 8 bit panel? afaik 6 bit + frc is still allowed on 400
2021-10-23 09:20:59
Yep, I think mine is HDR400 and it only has 6 bit + frc
spider-mario
nathanielcwm but you need the pro display xdr specifically lol
2021-10-23 09:21:01
or one of the new macbooks
nathanielcwm
2021-10-23 09:21:19
oh ye
The_Decryptor
spider-mario that part, I was aware of (I wrote the comparison tool and its color management in libjxl)
2021-10-23 09:21:42
Sorry ๐Ÿ˜‰
nathanielcwm
spider-mario from what I am reading online, macOS now seems to handle HDR very well: https://liftgammagain.com/forum/index.php?threads/apple-pro-display-xdr-for-color-grading.12846/page-13#:~:text=searing%20and%20horrific.-,Seeing%20a%20desktop%20HDR%20display%20with%20SDR%20and%20HDR%20content%20composited%20side%20by%20side%20was%20extremely%20satisfying.,-Alex%20Fry%2C%20Dec
2021-10-23 09:21:46
afaik those links only work in chrome lol
2021-10-23 09:22:06
<https://liftgammagain.com/forum/index.php?threads/apple-pro-display-xdr-for-color-grading.12846/page-13> unfucked link *but it doesn't link directly to the content in question*
spider-mario
2021-10-23 09:22:36
it was just a link to this specific sentence: > Seeing a desktop HDR display with SDR and HDR content composited side by side was extremely satisfying.
nathanielcwm
2021-10-23 09:22:45
oh that forum has their own way to link to specific posts
spider-mario
2021-10-23 09:23:00
yes but the post is long, it wouldnโ€™t have been enough
2021-10-23 09:23:03
I wanted that sentence specifically
nathanielcwm
2021-10-23 09:23:34
well it doesn't work in firefox lol
2021-10-23 09:23:42
<https://liftgammagain.com/forum/index.php?threads/apple-pro-display-xdr-for-color-grading.12846/page-13#post-138213>
2021-10-23 09:23:59
unless there's a special setting i need to enable
2021-10-23 09:26:40
well hdr still looks like such a fucking mess so i think i'll steer way clear from using it on a pc and only use it on a tv ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ
spider-mario
2021-10-23 09:29:15
if you like, you can use our new tonemapping tools https://github.com/libjxl/libjxl/tree/main/tools/hdr to convert to an SDR display of known brightness to get some sort of โ€œpseudo-HDRโ€ ๐Ÿ˜
2021-10-23 09:29:25
(slight improvement coming on Monday)
nathanielcwm
2021-10-23 09:29:44
pseudo hdr <:monkaMega:809252622900789269>
2021-10-23 09:30:37
can it do the opposite and map p3 back to sdr lol i admit i've never really looked much into photo stuff
2021-10-23 09:31:07
because i've got a lot of p3 pics and screenshots that look absolutely awful on discord because no tonemapping lmao
spider-mario
nathanielcwm pseudo hdr <:monkaMega:809252622900789269>
2021-10-23 09:31:36
maybe that was the wrong termโ€ฏโ€”โ€ฏto be clear, it starts from HDR content, and renders it for an SDR display
nathanielcwm
2021-10-23 09:31:47
ah
2021-10-23 09:31:54
so that's the kind of thing i want lol
2021-10-23 09:32:56
or alternatively i could just send it as jxl and not worry about discord fucking up the display of the image or stripping the icc profile lmao
The_Decryptor
2021-10-23 09:33:46
Ok, Windows lets you set separate colour profiles for a SDR display and for SDR apps on a HDR display
spider-mario
2021-10-23 09:33:56
ooh, cool
2021-10-23 09:33:56
thanks
The_Decryptor
2021-10-23 09:34:37
In Firefox, if I have HDR disabled it sees sRGB, if I have it enabled then it uses P3
2021-10-23 09:34:51
You have to check a box when adding it, doesn't explain it well
spider-mario
2021-10-23 10:28:01
so, it seems that all that is needed for system-wide color management on Windows is an HDR display, a way to actually calibrate Windowsโ€™ HDR mode, and to rewrite non-sRGB apps to use the new HDR APIs
2021-10-23 10:28:06
I guess Apple had a headstart
2021-10-23 10:28:32
> Apple developed the original 1.0 version of ColorSync as a Mac-only architecture, which made it into an operating system release in 1993. In the same year, Apple co-founded the International Color Consortium (ICC) to develop a cross-platform profile format which became part of ColorSync 2.0.
2021-10-23 10:28:35
ok yeah, a significant headstart
_wb_
2021-10-23 10:40:41
It is somewhat surprising to me that software seems to be the bottleneck in making HDR display of images accessible to the masses
2021-10-23 10:41:47
I somehow always assumed that affordable hardware would be the main problem, but once that was solved, they would ensure that things work properly from the start
2021-10-23 10:42:29
Now the hardware is there, but software will probably need a couple more years to get ready to handle it
spider-mario
2021-10-23 10:45:23
yeah, more and more people now have an HDR display in their pocket, but itโ€™s a challenge to actually use its capabilities
_wb_
2021-10-23 10:47:19
We have hardware that can capture HDR, we have screens that can display HDR, but we have operating systems stuck in the 1990s.
w
2021-10-23 10:48:25
well we also have companies trying to sell barely sdr displays as hdr
_wb_
2021-10-23 10:50:18
Yes, that too
2021-10-23 10:51:20
It's just like the HD thing, where suddenly 720p was also a kind of HD, just not "Full" HD
2021-10-23 10:51:51
Marketing people will do their thing, I suppose
spider-mario
w well we also have companies trying to sell barely sdr displays as hdr
2021-10-23 10:53:07
which, if we could properly exploit them, would still be an improvement, I think
_wb_
2021-10-23 10:53:26
It doesn't help that basically OLED is considered HDR regardless of the nits it can do, just by virtue of its high contrast / nice darks
2021-10-23 10:55:11
Also peak nits could be achievable with just a few pixels for just a few frames, and the actual full screen max nits could be very substantially lower
w
2021-10-23 11:01:48
infinite dynamic range...
2021-10-23 11:02:08
hdr is an abused term
nathanielcwm
_wb_ It's just like the HD thing, where suddenly 720p was also a kind of HD, just not "Full" HD
2021-10-24 06:05:16
youtube doesn't even consider 720p as hd anymore lmao
spider-mario
2021-10-24 07:43:31
I think the term for 720p screens was โ€œHD Readyโ€
_wb_
2021-10-24 07:50:25
Yes. Which was kind of misleading...
diskorduser
2021-10-24 09:07:25
https://youtu.be/k3lvFuXo1IU
nathanielcwm
2021-10-24 11:23:02
i mean i would consider 720p as basic hd but fuck 720p tvs lmao
2021-10-24 11:23:30
you really want 1080p minimum now on a laptop or pc let alone a fucking tv <:kekw:808717074305122316>
Deleted User
2021-10-24 12:02:49
Isn't 1280x720 the definition of HD?
2021-10-24 12:03:20
... and 2560x1440 is quad HD (QHD)
nathanielcwm
Isn't 1280x720 the definition of HD?
2021-10-24 12:04:22
afaik yes
2021-10-24 12:04:51
but on a tv you want 1080p minimum
2021-10-24 12:05:10
and you can't really find 1440p tvs
w
2021-10-24 12:07:20
1280x720 is HD
2021-10-24 12:07:30
but subjectively, is it high definition?
nathanielcwm
2021-10-24 12:08:07
well compared to 4:3 480p yes
Deleted User
w but subjectively, is it high definition?
2021-10-24 12:08:23
Depends on how far you are away/how big the screen is.
nathanielcwm
2021-10-24 12:08:52
on a phone like the galaxy s3 720p isn't horrible
w
2021-10-24 12:08:56
yeah depends
2021-10-24 12:09:01
iphone 576p retina
nathanielcwm
2021-10-24 12:09:02
i think the iphone xr screen wasn't too horrible too?
2021-10-24 12:09:06
lol
w iphone 576p retina
2021-10-24 12:09:22
how big was the screen though?
2021-10-24 12:09:53
iphone xr is 1792x828
w
2021-10-24 12:10:12
iphone 5 640p at 4"
nathanielcwm
2021-10-24 12:10:22
ah well it's 4 inches
w
2021-10-24 12:10:28
but the term HD is used for TVs
nathanielcwm
2021-10-24 12:10:38
326ppi
2021-10-24 12:10:54
so same pixel density as the iphone 13 i think?
2021-10-24 12:10:59
or at least it should be similar
2021-10-24 12:11:21
retina by apple terms specifically refers to 200-350ppi afaik
2021-10-24 12:11:35
nvm iphone 13 is 460ppi
2021-10-24 12:11:36
wayyyy higher
w
2021-10-24 12:11:46
a problem with lower resolution is you get less space for actual things
nathanielcwm
2021-10-24 12:11:46
or 476ppi on the mini
w
2021-10-24 12:11:56
like you wont notice details but you will notice a dot
nathanielcwm
w a problem with lower resolution is you get less space for actual things
2021-10-24 12:11:59
well that wasn't really a problem in the iphone 5 days afaik
w
2021-10-24 12:12:11
it's a big problem for ui designers lol
nathanielcwm
2021-10-24 12:12:12
768p is completely unusable on windows 10 though
w it's a big problem for ui designers lol
2021-10-24 12:12:30
well the iphone 5 is like how old now? lmao
2021-10-24 12:12:48
iphone se is from 2016 lol
w
2021-10-24 12:13:10
like, 1366x768 feels extremely cramped now
2021-10-24 12:13:30
because you have the taskbar, the window header, all the toolbars, etc
nathanielcwm
2021-10-24 12:13:35
but it's a phone and ios is extremely locked down and has a shit ton of standards for design and shit lol
w
2021-10-24 12:13:35
which have a minimum size
nathanielcwm
w like, 1366x768 feels extremely cramped now
2021-10-24 12:13:43
i literally just said that
w
2021-10-24 12:13:43
i mean for a computer monitor
2021-10-24 12:13:48
ah
nathanielcwm
2021-10-24 12:14:02
yeah don't fucking use 720p or768p on a computer
2021-10-24 12:14:05
it fucking sucks
w
2021-10-24 12:14:59
TVs larger than 40" must be at least 4k
2021-10-24 12:15:34
it's wild that they still sell 720p 32" "tv"s
nathanielcwm
2021-10-24 12:16:01
i feel like the low res problem doesn't really apply to the iphones since they're pretty high pixel density ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ also apple is extremely strict with design standards and shit lol
w it's wild that they still sell 720p 32" "tv"s
2021-10-24 12:16:22
i mean u can already see the pixels on a 1080p 24 incher lmao
w
2021-10-24 12:16:54
i read a lot of text on my phone and i would definitely notice if it were lower dpi
nathanielcwm
2021-10-24 12:17:59
on a phone lower resolution with high ppi isn't a big problem imo cuz hiding ui elements is a pretty common tactic
w
2021-10-24 12:18:40
i think 1080p at 24" is fine, just on the line, i dont have a problem with it at 1.5 feet away, right next to a 1440p 27"
nathanielcwm
2021-10-24 12:19:20
yeah it's fine at normal viewing distances
2021-10-24 12:19:35
but if i lean in to grab something off my desk or to look at something closer it's extremely noticeable
w TVs larger than 40" must be at least 4k
2021-10-24 12:20:33
do they even make sub 4k tvs at those sizes lmao
2021-10-24 12:20:41
unless you're buying really old
2021-10-24 12:20:47
like a plasma or crt
w
2021-10-24 12:21:04
there's a 55" 1080p in the living room
nathanielcwm
2021-10-24 12:21:05
but if you're buying a 40 inch crt you must really hate your back
2021-10-24 12:21:15
well how old is it ๐Ÿค”
w
2021-10-24 12:21:26
at max 6 years
nathanielcwm
2021-10-24 12:21:28
and hows the other specs of the panel
w
2021-10-24 12:21:40
not great
nathanielcwm
2021-10-24 12:21:43
kek
w
2021-10-24 12:21:48
it's an lg though
nathanielcwm
2021-10-24 12:21:55
weird
2021-10-24 12:21:57
what model?
w
2021-10-24 12:22:05
dont know
nathanielcwm
2021-10-24 12:22:41
is it an oled or smth?
w
2021-10-24 12:22:48
nope, i think it's an ips, lg and all
nathanielcwm
2021-10-24 12:22:52
hmm
2021-10-24 12:23:17
but it's not a great screen in general?
2021-10-24 12:23:27
number of local dimming zones?
2021-10-24 12:23:37
or just global dimming
w
2021-10-24 12:23:54
i think it was before the time of when people heard of the words dimming zones
nathanielcwm
2021-10-24 12:24:30
lol
2021-10-24 12:24:36
well u said max 6 years
w
2021-10-24 12:25:45
ok maybe 8
nathanielcwm
2021-10-24 12:26:21
well luckily i don't think u can get anything that is sub 4k >40" made in the past year or so
2021-10-24 12:29:45
well at least from reputable japanese, korean, american or heck chinese brands lmao
2021-10-24 12:30:17
maybe you might be able to get them still if you just browse for tvs on aliexpress lmao <@!288069412857315328>
w
2021-10-24 12:30:36
what im finding troubling right now is that retailers are selling old tvs
2021-10-24 12:30:46
i cant find the years of these models
2021-10-24 12:30:48
but they're being sold as new
nathanielcwm
2021-10-24 12:30:58
ah
2021-10-24 12:31:00
yeah
2021-10-24 12:31:04
that's also a big problem i'd imagine
2021-10-24 12:31:09
really old tvs being sold as new
w
2021-10-24 12:31:16
hmm not even that old
2021-10-24 12:31:21
2018
nathanielcwm
2021-10-24 12:31:27
hmm
2021-10-24 12:31:28
model?
w
2021-10-24 12:31:45
haha im just looking on bestbuy
2021-10-24 12:31:50
there's lots
nathanielcwm
2021-10-24 12:31:58
oh no
2021-10-24 12:32:13
at least the 40 inch crts are 1080i lol
2021-10-24 12:33:42
lol it doesn't have hdmi only dvi
2021-10-24 12:33:57
i think some of the later sony trinitrons shipped with dvb tuners and hdmi lmao
w
2021-10-24 12:34:06
i am interested in getting a tv for my room
2021-10-24 12:34:14
but it seems the price is still tied to the size
nathanielcwm
2021-10-24 12:34:18
yeah
2021-10-24 12:34:22
makes a lot of sense
2021-10-24 12:34:28
larger panel = larger cost to manufacture
2021-10-24 12:37:37
oh lol first results on bestbuy are 1080p 40 inch tcl and samsung units <@!288069412857315328>
2021-10-24 12:37:57
2019 for the samsung
2021-10-24 12:37:57
lol
2021-10-24 12:38:17
bruh literally all of them are 1080p 40 inchers
2021-10-24 12:38:17
wtf
w
2021-10-24 12:38:37
and i imagine people are buying those otherwise they wouldnt be selling them
nathanielcwm
2021-10-24 12:38:54
there's only 7 results and all of them are 40 inch 1080p
2021-10-24 12:38:56
wtffffffffff
2021-10-24 12:39:53
wayyy more results if you search for 40" instead of 40 inch
2021-10-24 12:40:48
oh nvm the tv results are the same lmao
2021-10-24 12:41:46
if you increase the search term to 45 inch instead u get non trash results lmao <@!288069412857315328> second result is a 4k samsung 43 incher
2021-10-24 12:41:59
3rd result is a 4k sony 43 incher
2021-10-24 12:42:30
the only 1080p ones i've seen are walmart brand and toshiba lol
2021-10-24 12:42:59
even the chinese ones are 4k lol
Fox Wizard
2021-10-24 03:27:07
Oh no https://www.instagram.com/p/CVaXgE2gGXj/
diskorduser
2021-10-24 03:48:26
You looking cute
Fox Wizard
2021-10-24 03:49:01
<a:DogeScared:821038589201612820>
diskorduser
Fox Wizard Oh no https://www.instagram.com/p/CVaXgE2gGXj/
2021-10-24 04:08:37
Do they sell foxes? Is it a pet shop?
Fox Wizard
2021-10-24 04:13:17
No idea to be honest
improver
2021-10-25 12:26:38
https://twitter.com/busujiujitsu/status/1452290705699733505
diskorduser
2021-10-25 07:31:59
Despite having just 5.8% sales, over 38% of bug reports come from the Linux community - https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/qeqn3b/despite_having_just_58_sales_over_38_of_bug/
190n
2021-10-25 08:10:38
i'd recommend reading the whole post not just the title :P
improver
2021-10-25 09:28:26
so lunix users are more valuable, no?
2021-10-25 09:30:55
diskorduser
2021-10-26 03:13:50
Support forums are mostly run by stupid people. Once I was asking something on intel forums, they told me to get igpu linux drivers from hp.
spider-mario
2021-10-26 03:20:07
> In 2021, it became public that a Belgian bank was still using EBCDIC internally in 2019. This came to attention because a customer insisted on the correct spelling of his surname incl. Umlaut and the court, according to the General Data Regulation, Article 16 this was upheld.[17]
2021-10-26 03:20:08
๐Ÿ˜
improver
2021-10-26 03:21:36
needs EBCDIC-UTF
2021-10-26 03:22:11
jokes aside iirc mainframe stuff have been using UTF-16 for actual unicode stuff for years. they just aint updating their stuff right
yurume
improver needs EBCDIC-UTF
2021-10-27 08:49:33
(just to be sure: EBCDIC-UTF or rather UTF-EBCDIC *does* exist, the joke is only the suggestion to use that)
2021-10-27 08:50:07
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-EBCDIC
improver
2021-10-27 09:00:07
yeh. its complicated thing no one actually seems to seriously use, where they do unicode on mainframes its usually utf16
2021-10-27 09:00:28
even though i find it to be actually kinda cool
Scope
2021-10-27 09:49:07
2021-10-27 09:49:16
<:Stonks:806137886726553651> https://twitter.com/CallofDuty/status/1453114930853470210
_wb_
2021-10-27 10:01:20
So you'll need bandwidth instead of hard disk capacity?
Scope
2021-10-27 10:10:07
Perhaps, although texture compression has also been improved, including hardware compression in the new consoles and also overall most likely not every player will need all parts of the game
lithium
2021-10-27 11:28:23
I remember lolz can compress texture very well. (from free arc tool chain)
monad
2021-10-27 05:06:16
Haven't looked into this beyond the tweet, but usually "streaming" in this context means streaming from disk.
2021-10-27 05:12:40
> By enabling this feature, the game will pull from the internet to provide more color detail on surfaces. Huh. Now I'm wondering if I had the wrong idea with other games.
Fraetor
2021-10-27 08:58:03
They talked about being able to directly stream from the SSD for the new consoles, but I guess this is something different.
nathanielcwm
monad > By enabling this feature, the game will pull from the internet to provide more color detail on surfaces. Huh. Now I'm wondering if I had the wrong idea with other games.
2021-10-28 01:00:06
nah streaming for most games refers to streaming from the disk afaik only other games that comes to mind that use streaming in the context of downloading on the fly are the cloud game services and msfs2020 afaik
2021-10-28 02:21:20
ban <@!288069412857315328> for crimes against humanity: using discord light theme
w
2021-10-28 02:25:18
black text on a white background is better for reading
Fox Wizard
2021-10-28 06:03:06
Why worry about reading if you won't have any eyes anymore?
w
2021-10-28 06:07:34
it's mainly reading faster
2021-10-28 06:07:38
and faster = shorter
Fox Wizard
2021-10-28 06:19:02
Then you must have good pain control, because I certainly can't read while my eyes are burning in their sockets
w
2021-10-28 06:19:57
i have my main monitor on 280 nits now since i got new bulbs
2021-10-28 06:22:01
stop reading in the dark
Fox Wizard
2021-10-28 06:22:35
I don't. Just don't want them to get cremated probably about 60 years too early
w
2021-10-28 06:23:04
there's no strain if your environment is well lit
2021-10-28 06:23:38
i used to go dark theme
2021-10-28 06:23:40
in highschool
2021-10-28 06:30:44
and with white background there's less contrast with my walls
diskorduser
2021-10-28 06:32:53
I change my themes often. On summer and outdoors, I use light theme. on winter and rainy seasons i use dark.
spider-mario
2021-10-28 08:57:28
my monitor is 120โ€ฏcd/mยฒ D65 during the day and 80โ€ฏcd/mยฒ 2700K in the evening
2021-10-28 08:57:38
the warmer calibration at night helps with the strain
Fraetor
2021-10-28 09:34:29
I use light mode in most things, but in discord I find that there isn't enough contrast.
w
2021-10-28 09:37:28
i forget i have the css set to black
diskorduser
spider-mario my monitor is 120โ€ฏcd/mยฒ D65 during the day and 80โ€ฏcd/mยฒ 2700K in the evening
2021-10-28 09:56:28
2700k? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ isn't that too much yellowish
necros
2021-10-28 11:23:27
https://youtu.be/MhQYSH4UvHA
spider-mario
diskorduser 2700k? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ isn't that too much yellowish
2021-10-28 11:41:33
it perfectly matches the lamps in my bedroom
2021-10-28 11:41:47
it takes a few moments to adapt when I switch in the evening, but after that itโ€™s fine
diskorduser
2021-10-28 11:41:47
I see
BlueSwordM
Fox Wizard Then you must have good pain control, because I certainly can't read while my eyes are burning in their sockets
2021-10-28 02:36:10
I just have 1 trick question: do you have lights on in your room?
Fox Wizard
2021-10-28 02:36:51
Yes
2021-10-28 02:37:24
I'm not a gaymer, so light in my room isn't monitor exclusive
lithium
2021-10-28 07:42:50
I don't understand, why only men have been subjected to conscription in some country? Is this law really fair?๐Ÿค”
improver
2021-10-28 10:41:43
no. its probably more practical though
w
2021-10-28 10:42:20
because men cant make babies
improver
2021-10-28 10:43:25
nature is totally not gender neutral
monad
2021-10-28 10:47:31
More relevant today, men are better adapted to the physical demands of combat. But today's militaries have a lot of infrastructure that isn't physical combat.
w
2021-10-28 10:48:21
in war times a large reason was because of population
2021-10-28 10:50:37
but yeah because of natural physical abilities, men are cheaper and also more disposable
improver
2021-10-28 11:20:26
what does aficionado mean? <:Thonk:805904896879493180>
2021-10-28 11:21:21
>a person who is very knowledgeable and enthusiastic about an activity, subject, or pastime. o. i learned something new today
190n
w because men cant make babies
2021-10-28 11:38:14
well, some trans men can, but conscription is usually by biological sex and not gender (and some militaries just exclude all trans people)
w
2021-10-28 11:38:28
i always refer to sex
monad
2021-10-28 11:40:47
that wasn't likely to be misinterpreted
w
2021-10-28 11:41:16
should i say male instead?
2021-10-28 11:41:29
it's only english and in the west that has this stupid issue of male =/= man due to pc culture
190n
2021-10-28 11:42:01
no? trans people exist in non-western societies. i'm not sure how languages other than english deal with them.
2021-10-28 11:42:14
i'd say male or amab (assigned male at birth)
w
2021-10-28 11:42:49
yeah they exist but the identification thing/language has only been transformed in the anglosphere
monad
2021-10-28 11:43:05
context indicates this was a conversation about sex
w
2021-10-28 11:43:17
yeah people with eggs vs people with no eggs
improver
2021-10-28 11:46:42
amab honestly sounds too forced and i doubt anyone out of pc circles would use it. anyways, wouldn't trans people be excluded from forced conscription stuff regardless of their gender?
190n
2021-10-28 11:47:08
depends on the military
2021-10-28 11:47:40
iirc the US military says all males must sign up, but for a while trans people couldn't join, so trans women were in a catch-22
w
2021-10-28 11:51:03
amab reminds me of the whole superstraight thing
lithium
w because men cant make babies
2021-10-29 05:33:44
Yes, that make sense, but if women don't make babies, they don't have to jail, but if men don't accept conscription, they have to jail, I guess this difference is very strange?
_wb_
2021-10-29 05:39:00
Nothing about war is fair or reasonable, imo
Scope
2021-10-29 05:57:06
Where heavy physical and psychological exertion is required there is mainly a difference in physiology, the same for example in sports, so competitions are divided (also this is noticeable where there is no heavy physical exertion, e.g. cybersport or chess, although there are exceptions) And yes, babies, that's why in most countries many dangerous jobs are also not allowed for women
_wb_
2021-10-29 06:01:49
Part of it is also just cultural factors like macho traditions or sexism.
lithium
2021-10-29 06:03:51
conscription is sexism to men?
_wb_
2021-10-29 06:05:11
To both men and women, tbh
2021-10-29 06:05:42
It's discrimination to send men to die
2021-10-29 06:06:14
It's also discrimination not to let women do that
2021-10-29 06:08:44
Anyway, war is one of the weirdest human behaviors. It is very unproductive. It is destructive by definition. There are only losers - except I guess the shareholders of the weapons industry...
lithium
2021-10-29 06:31:49
About difference in physiology, part women physiology is weak than men(no sexism mean), so law protect women, part men physiology is strong than women, so law force men to do something, and don't have reward, This difference also very strange? I think law implemented can't depend gender or physiology state?
monad
_wb_ It's also discrimination not to let women do that
2021-10-29 06:34:04
That's a weird way to put it, given conscription is not voluntary. Volunteering for service is a totally different thing.
_wb_
2021-10-29 06:41:52
Point is there is a discrimination (a distinction being made) based on sex.
2021-10-29 06:43:23
Conscription is probably generally seen as forced service that nobody really wants to do, but I suppose there would also be people who had a positive experience, saw it as an opportunity to make friends and bring structure in their lives or whatever
monad
2021-10-29 07:14:39
I've known people who've had a positive outlook on their required service, both men and women. I just suggest "not letting women be lawfully required to serve" is awkward to pose as an injustice to women.
_wb_
2021-10-29 07:19:24
the bigger injustice is requiring anyone to be involved in war
Fox Wizard
2021-10-29 07:24:19
<a:Military:821038589571235850>
Scope
2021-10-29 07:31:08
I am also ex-military, both conscription and contract I think conscription still exists because every country needs a certain number of military or at least trained population for military conditions and this cannot always be provided only by voluntary service, like there is not enough funds and propaganda to make this service attractive And while there is no way to eliminate the war among mankind or to unite all the countries into a single whole, the countries without sufficient army can be put under different political pressure or demands of some unfavorable conditions for protection by forces of other countries
lithium
2021-10-29 08:07:38
Every country needs a certain number of military, Agree, this point is make sense, but about conscription and men, In gender equality, I think government need provide more reward or benefit for accept conscription men, to preserve equality. (like most country have some law to protect women physiology issue)
Scope
2021-10-29 08:16:46
Men can get some benefits/awards in most countries, though mostly in jobs close to military service, like police, forces, etc. And about jail, in some countries women can also be jailed or punished because of their physiological differences, e.g. for abortions
lithium
2021-10-29 08:22:29
In my country, conscription salary only have 185.02 EUR / 1 month...๐Ÿ˜ข
_wb_
2021-10-29 05:29:12
I wonder why big tech companies have the tendency to end up with a name that is extremely generic or unrelated to what they actually do
2021-10-29 05:29:34
Meta, Alphabet, Apple
2021-10-29 05:31:25
Apple doesn't sell apples
2021-10-29 05:31:38
Amazon has nothing at all to do with the river
Deleted User
2021-10-29 05:46:19
<@!794205442175402004> Do you have better names to offer? ^^
_wb_
2021-10-29 05:52:22
Google and Facebook are OK names: they are somewhat related to the main thing they do, and they are kind of unique words
2021-10-29 05:53:38
Alphabet and Meta are stupid names imo, not at all unique or related to what they actually do
190n
2021-10-29 06:10:25
well the distinction between alphabet and google is only really relevant for financial/legal stuff. google is still generally known as google. unclear if that will apply to facebook/meta (initial rumors i saw talking about the name change said the social network would still be called facebook, but i'm not really sure).
_wb_
2021-10-29 06:18:11
They would be stupid to throw away a super recognized brand name like that
2021-10-29 06:18:52
(also likely even if they do, people will keep calling it facebook)
Cool Doggo
2021-10-29 06:19:33
Alphabet gets it's name because they are supposed to make things important for humanity like the alphabet
2021-10-29 06:20:27
(imo alphabet is a weird choice though)
_wb_
2021-10-29 06:28:22
To me such names sound like Hubris
improver
2021-10-29 07:35:20
indeed.
2021-10-29 11:46:55
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ3m7MXNNsM
haaaaah
2021-10-30 12:41:54
When companies go Meta, even their names are like an Alphabet pictograph. Like a for apple, b for..
_wb_
2021-10-30 02:03:17
Exactly
2021-10-30 02:03:41
What do those names have to do with what those companies do?
Cool Doggo
2021-10-30 02:51:18
Alibaba apparently means "to find treasure" which makes sense if so, but the others I have no idea how they relate to what they do <:Thonk:805904896879493180>
Deleted User
2021-10-30 03:27:07
Well, TenCent is quite obvious. And it's one fifth of a rapper.
haaaaah
2021-10-30 07:11:28
> The name Baidu (็™พๅบฆ) literally means "a hundred times", or alternatively, "countless times". It is a quote from the last line of Xin Qiji's (่พ›ๅผƒ็–พ) classical poem "Green Jade Table in The Lantern Festival" (้’็މๆกˆยทๅ…ƒๅค•) saying: "Having searched hundreds of times in the crowd [..]"
2021-10-30 07:17:38
> Chinese characters Teng and Xun which means something like 'galloping fast information,' https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2014/03/25/where-alibaba-and-tencent-got-their-names
spider-mario
2021-11-01 04:58:55
https://www.dpreview.com/news/5725743467/apple-m1-max-first-impressions-a-macbook-pro-that-s-actually-pro > We'll dive deeper into the technical details (and why they matter) in our full review, but the most important improvement you'll actually notice as a user is the seamless the HDR experience that Apple has achieved. To borrow Jony Ive's old catchphrase: HDR content "just works."
2021-11-01 04:59:05
sounds refreshing
improver
2021-11-01 06:36:35
lunix hdr when ;_;
nathanielcwm
2021-11-04 10:34:55
<:monkaMega:809252622900789269>
2021-11-04 10:34:58
https://i.imgur.com/AefpPrY.jpg
2021-11-04 10:35:30
also wtf is this <:kekw:808717074305122316>
2021-11-04 10:35:32
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwstKnhWs6k&t=27700s
Fox Wizard
2021-11-04 08:49:48
Holy mother of jpegs
improver
2021-11-04 09:48:26
what even is it supposed to represent
2021-11-04 09:48:37
https://llwll.bandcamp.com/track/live-at-no-questions-asked-08-13-21 :>
nathanielcwm
2021-11-05 03:30:06
2021-11-05 03:30:34
<@!219525188818042881> <:kekw:808717074305122316>
2021-11-05 03:30:43
don't look too carefully at the image
diskorduser
nathanielcwm
2021-11-05 11:36:38
||pantsu|| shot
improver
2021-11-05 06:23:35
diskorduser
improver
2021-11-09 01:29:30
_wb_
2021-11-09 08:51:29
https://twitter.com/JeffBezos/status/1457720343297019909?t=mOd_MBRr0ARriOtsMrFcjg&s=19
2021-11-09 08:52:36
> jeff bezos โ€œjokinglyโ€ tweeting death threats to leo dicaprio wasnt on my 2021 bingo sheet
190n
2021-11-09 08:58:02
haha wut
2021-11-09 08:58:05
https://twitter.com/linds_sey1010/status/1457762953567117317
_wb_
2021-11-09 09:06:08
Trophy wife, status space rocket, all while employees are pissing in bottles
Nova Aurora
nathanielcwm
2021-11-09 09:30:03
Needs more JPEG ||(legacy)||
Scope
2021-11-11 09:48:57
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=GSoC-2022-Changes
2021-11-11 09:48:59
Google Makes Some Major Changes To Summer of Code 2022 - No Longer Limited To Students > GSoC will now be open to all newcomers that are 18 years or older. One of the fundamentals for GSoC all along has been a focus on student participation while that requirement is being removed entirely. To help those going through a career change, self-taught, or returning to the workforce, among other possibilities, all adults can apply to be part of GSoC
improver
2021-11-11 04:12:38
https://sewerslvt.bandcamp.com/album/we-had-good-times-together-dont-forget-that
diskorduser
2021-11-13 06:27:22
https://youtu.be/m3i5Xbx97m0
necros
2021-11-14 09:04:36
https://youtu.be/B8pnizn-1v0
_wb_
2021-11-17 07:11:00
diskorduser
improver <https://mangadex.org/title/259dfd8a-f06a-4825-8fa6-a2dcd7274230/yofukashi-no-uta> liking this manga quite a lot so far
2021-11-18 09:57:19
https://youtu.be/a4bSbmqwhso
improver
2021-11-18 10:17:48
n i c e
2021-11-20 12:08:10
Kate Yagi
2021-11-21 12:01:36
Fox Wizard
2021-11-21 05:51:18
Ah yes, the Dutch accent <:KekDog:884736660376535040> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFkoLYrJGCM&t=68s
diskorduser
2021-11-21 03:09:17
https://youtu.be/nXKBzuw3Ct0
Fox Wizard
2021-11-22 12:19:16
Have something cursed: an image Bandcamp uses... static gif
2021-11-22 12:20:07
78.7KB, converting it to PNG even makes it smaller...
2021-11-22 12:20:26
57KB with fast conversion <:KekDog:884736660376535040>
2021-11-22 12:23:05
~~56.9KB with slow conversion by yeeting it through many optimizers and see which one gives the best result~~
Fraetor
Fox Wizard Have something cursed: an image Bandcamp uses... static gif
2021-11-22 02:29:58
Interestingly jxl doesn't get any smaller on this image. With `-d 0 -e 9` I get 63.2ย kB.
Fox Wizard
2021-11-22 02:34:45
When converting the gif directly I can get this:
2021-11-22 02:37:44
Hm, seems like png beats jxl in this case
Fraetor
2021-11-22 02:39:08
``` $ cjxl -d 0 -e 9 in.gif JPEG XL encoder v0.7.0 0.7~alpha20211119214314-0+git0f201ff [AVX2,SSE4,SSSE3,Scalar] No output file specified. Encoding will be performed, but the result will be discarded. Read 800x560 image, 19.2 MP/s Encoding [Modular, lossless, tortoise], 8 threads. Compressed to 63203 bytes (1.129 bpp). 800 x 560, 0.12 MP/s [0.12, 0.12], 1 reps, 8 threads. $ cjxl -d 0 -e 9 converted.png JPEG XL encoder v0.7.0 0.7~alpha20211119214314-0+git0f201ff [AVX2,SSE4,SSSE3,Scalar] No output file specified. Encoding will be performed, but the result will be discarded. Read 800x560 image, 24.9 MP/s Encoding [Modular, lossless, tortoise], 8 threads. Compressed to 63208 bytes (1.129 bpp). 800 x 560, 0.11 MP/s [0.11, 0.11], 1 reps, 8 threads. ```
2021-11-22 02:40:04
I do get slightly different results converting from the PNG to the GIF, but not to the degree you got. What are you doing different?
Fox Wizard
2021-11-22 02:40:20
Using different parameters
2021-11-22 02:40:58
Used ``cjxl -e 9 -q 100 -I 1 -E 3 -g 3 ``
Fraetor
2021-11-22 02:41:56
Ah, yep. That gives me 60548 bytes as well.
Fox Wizard
2021-11-22 02:42:25
~~Gotta get every jxl version and try them all <:KekDog:884736660376535040>~~
Fraetor
2021-11-22 02:44:00
What do -I and -E do?
2021-11-22 02:45:10
Ah found them in the help.
Fox Wizard
2021-11-22 02:45:11
"It's the fraction of samples it looks at for doing MA tree training"
2021-11-22 02:45:17
No idea what -E does tbh
Fraetor
2021-11-22 02:45:29
``` -E K, --extra-properties=K [modular encoding] number of extra MA tree properties to use ```
_wb_
2021-11-22 03:46:47
it won't do anything in the palette image case
2021-11-22 03:47:28
it's the number of previous channels that can be used to determine the context
2021-11-22 03:47:55
i.e. -E 1 means the MA tree can contain `Prev` (and `PrevAbs`, `PrevErr`, `PrevAbsErr`)
2021-11-22 03:48:05
-E 2 means it can also contain `PPrev`
2021-11-22 03:48:09
and so on
2021-11-22 03:48:25
values larger than 3 are not useful unless you have more than 4 channels somehow
Fox Wizard
2021-11-22 04:19:00
Wonder if there are any other parameters that make a positive difference for lossless other than ``e``, ``I``, ``E`` and ``g``
_wb_
2021-11-22 04:27:14
Sometimes X and Y can help, or palette
2021-11-22 04:28:08
Also `-I 0 -P 0` can be better sometimes
Fox Wizard
2021-11-22 05:18:15
Hm
2021-11-22 05:18:37
No idea what X and Y are, but guess I'll try -I 0 and -P 0 sometimes
Cool Doggo
Fox Wizard Hm, seems like png beats jxl in this case
2021-11-22 09:35:11
``-d 0 -e 9 -I 1 -g 3 -P 0 -X 0 --patches=0`` maybe better settings but that is what i found
Fox Wizard
2021-11-22 10:23:58
Nice
2021-11-22 10:24:15
Wonder what -P 0, -X 0 and --patches=0 do
_wb_
2021-11-22 10:31:38
-P 0 forces the predictor to zero (MA tree has only `Set` leaves)
2021-11-22 10:33:53
-X 0 disables global channel palette (in general, -X n means "make a global channel palette for a channel that uses less than n% of the values in the range between min and max")
2021-11-22 10:34:43
--patches 0 disables patch detection (patches are usually a good idea but they can be counterproductive)
Fox Wizard
2021-11-22 10:39:02
Hm, guess I'll experiment with that stuff then
2021-11-22 10:39:19
Gotta get the best possible efficiency for lossless <:KekDog:884736660376535040>
monad
2021-11-22 11:05:27
Or just use WebP ``` B encoder 80670 (original GIF) 78617 flexiGIF 58365 (multiple PNG) 54896 cjxl -d 0 -e 9 -I 1 -g 3 -P 0 -X 0 --patches 0 51592 cwebp -z 9```
eddie.zato
2021-11-23 03:57:17
``` PS > cjxl -m -e 9 -P 0 -X 0 -I 1 -g 3 --patches=0 --palette=-254 JPEG XL encoder v0.7.0 cacc3da [SSE4] Compressed to 53626 bytes (0.958 bpp). ```
spider-mario
2021-11-24 12:40:16
https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/r0k4ye/arch_windows_xp_on_the_same_fat32_partition/
improver
2021-11-28 04:19:59
2021-11-28 04:21:43
yurume
2021-11-29 09:25:58
continuing a discussion from <#822105409312653333>: is there an error correcting code designed for a very low bit error rate (say, <10^-5)?
2021-11-29 09:29:16
that is, just about enough for detecting typical bit rots
spider-mario
2021-11-29 10:17:03
with par2, the level of redundancy is customizable, but not sure how low it goes
_wb_
2021-11-29 10:43:40
the ANS final state check is very likely to _detect_ errors
2021-11-29 10:44:41
_correcting_ errors is something else and seems hard to do without introducing a large compression penalty
yurume
2021-11-29 10:48:52
So my line of thought was that we only need to guard against a low probability bit flip (we don't concern burst errors), which limits the bit error rate very low and it might be possible to put a low effort ECC for catching most such bit rots
2021-11-29 10:50:11
I'm not good at coding theory and all I can come up with is a very large Hamming code, which requires log(n) space overhead and n log(n) time overhead I think