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CrushedAsian255
2025-04-19 09:32:02
They don’t just do things for the fun of it
Traneptora
Quackdoc the math doesn't add up, maltose isn't an added sugar, but added sugars make up the majority of sugars, however even by oatly's own admission maltose makes up the primary sugar content of oatly milk
2025-04-19 09:32:13
I'm pretty sure that's included in the added sugars
Demiurge
2025-04-19 09:32:37
Or maybe they want the global population to be kept under 500 million
Quackdoc
2025-04-19 09:32:41
why would it be in added sugars? it's not claimed on the ingredient list, and it's not added as it's a natural byproduct of breaking down oats
Traneptora
2025-04-19 09:33:11
cause added sugars includes sugars that are added during the processing of foods
2025-04-19 09:33:36
(source <https://www.fda.gov/food/nutrition-facts-label/added-sugars-nutrition-facts-label>)
Demiurge
2025-04-19 09:34:56
I hope you all still like me and find me entertaining, in a ridiculous sort of way ;)
Traneptora
Quackdoc why would it be in added sugars? it's not claimed on the ingredient list, and it's not added as it's a natural byproduct of breaking down oats
2025-04-19 09:35:03
fwiw oatly says why themselves: > We use natural enzymes to liquefy our oats, as this process enables us to make a super creamy oatmilk that retains much of the goodness from the oats, like carbs, protein, unsaturated fat and soluble fiber (beta glucan). As part of this process, the enzymes convert some of the starch in the oats into sugar, similar to how the human body converts starch to sugar during digestion. Since these sugars are a result of our production process, the FDA considers them to be added, which is why they’re labeled as “added” sugars on our nutrition panels.
2025-04-19 09:35:32
so at least it's consistent
Demiurge
2025-04-19 09:36:27
That's strange that fermenting existing carbs into sugars is "adding" sugar
Quackdoc
2025-04-19 09:36:36
this is in direct opposition to this unless you take "added during the processing of food" with a very weird definition of adding > 2. Added Sugars > > Added sugars include sugars that are added during the processing of foods (such as sucrose or dextrose), foods packaged as sweeteners (such as table sugar), sugars from syrups and honey, and sugars from concentrated fruit or vegetable juices. They do not include naturally occurring sugars that are found in milk, fruits, and vegetables. The Daily Value for added sugars is 50 grams per day based on a 2,000 calorie daily diet.
Traneptora
Demiurge I hope you all still like me and find me entertaining, in a ridiculous sort of way ;)
2025-04-19 09:36:43
I don't find it entertaining to be honest
2025-04-19 09:36:48
I find it very irritating
Quackdoc this is in direct opposition to this unless you take "added during the processing of food" with a very weird definition of adding > 2. Added Sugars > > Added sugars include sugars that are added during the processing of foods (such as sucrose or dextrose), foods packaged as sweeteners (such as table sugar), sugars from syrups and honey, and sugars from concentrated fruit or vegetable juices. They do not include naturally occurring sugars that are found in milk, fruits, and vegetables. The Daily Value for added sugars is 50 grams per day based on a 2,000 calorie daily diet.
2025-04-19 09:37:40
Apparently that's why it's listed there, according to oatly themselves
Demiurge
2025-04-19 09:37:54
Well I try to be ridiculous In what I hope is an entertaining sort of way.
Traneptora
2025-04-19 09:38:00
it's not entertaining
2025-04-19 09:38:13
it's irritating
2025-04-19 09:38:35
I think I'm having an actual conversation and then you start spewing garbage and then I ask myself why I even tried to have a conversation withyou in the first place
Quackdoc
2025-04-19 09:38:45
well considering oatly has been caught directly lying about their product before, I wouldn't put it past them to do it again, and it is in direct opposition to the FDA unless you take some really lenient understanding of the words
Traneptora
2025-04-19 09:38:46
and you say you're just trolling for the lulz
Quackdoc well considering oatly has been caught directly lying about their product before, I wouldn't put it past them to do it again, and it is in direct opposition to the FDA unless you take some really lenient understanding of the words
2025-04-19 09:39:20
sure, but they say that is why and I believe that is consistent since it's sugar not found in the raw materials that ends up in the final product
2025-04-19 09:39:32
the real issue is that the sugar is maltose, not that there's a lot of it
2025-04-19 09:39:42
and maltose has a very high impact on blood glucose levels
Demiurge
2025-04-19 09:40:21
Well there is sincerity in what I say, but it's only my own sincere perspective. And I don't think mine is inherently better or worse than yours. I'm not "trolling for the lulz" but I am trying to lighten the mood.
2025-04-19 09:41:18
I think it's very sad that people can't tell the difference oftimes
Traneptora
2025-04-19 09:41:47
I dont' think it's sad that people can't tell when you're deliberately being a problelm and sincerely being a problem
2025-04-19 09:42:11
I think that says more about what you think the difference is between your deliberate desire to antagonize vs your attempt at being "serious"
Demiurge
2025-04-19 09:42:14
It's not a lack of sincerity, it's just that I don't necessarily believe my own opinion is intrinsically special.
Quackdoc
2025-04-19 09:42:35
Indeed even assuming the best in them, maltose is indeed pretty bad. but then, thats also not the only thing that's bad about oatly, the emulsifiers they use are phosphate additives which have plenty of literature behind them proving they are rather bad for your system
Demiurge
2025-04-19 09:42:52
And I'm not trying to antagonize either.
Traneptora
Quackdoc Indeed even assuming the best in them, maltose is indeed pretty bad. but then, thats also not the only thing that's bad about oatly, the emulsifiers they use are phosphate additives which have plenty of literature behind them proving they are rather bad for your system
2025-04-19 09:43:20
Oh yea, oat milk isn't bad for you but oatly isn't better for you than coke
2025-04-19 09:43:26
I'm not disagreeing with this point
2025-04-19 09:43:53
I'm just pointing out that the nutrition facts do accurately represent what is in there
2025-04-19 09:44:00
not what was in there when it started production
2025-04-19 09:44:10
it says 7g of sugars cause there is actually 7g of maltose in there
Quackdoc
2025-04-19 09:45:01
Id be willing to take that at face value since that is what oatly is saying they are doing, but many companies don't since unless a very liberal interpetation, it's just not needed
Traneptora
2025-04-19 09:45:29
companies may lie, no doubt
2025-04-19 09:45:43
but I'm just pushing back on the idea that the regulations don't require them to say what's in the final product
2025-04-19 09:45:48
they do. that's why skim milk says 0% fat on it
2025-04-19 09:46:13
when they don't the companies are doing something non-compliant
2025-04-19 09:46:20
aka illegal
2025-04-19 09:47:02
so like yea the nutrition facts may be, well, wrong. but that's illegal. the regulations do actually require them to say what's in the final product
Demiurge
Traneptora I think that says more about what you think the difference is between your deliberate desire to antagonize vs your attempt at being "serious"
2025-04-19 09:47:25
Not everyone with a smile on their face is deliberately trying to antagonize...
Traneptora
2025-04-19 09:47:33
I'm not smiling
2025-04-19 09:47:38
you may be
2025-04-19 09:47:53
but I feel like I wasted any time I spent engaging with you
2025-04-19 09:48:10
because you masqueraded your trolling as a serious conversation
2025-04-19 09:48:21
and now I know that you're just a waste of time
Demiurge
2025-04-19 09:48:58
And I feel like I gave someone a friendly smile and they bit my head off 😅
2025-04-19 09:50:22
I'm not trying to masquerade or troll or antagonize and I already explained I was trying to be sincere and not expecting that reaction or accusation.
2025-04-19 09:50:46
Ah well.
2025-04-19 09:50:58
Sorry.
Quackdoc
Traneptora but I'm just pushing back on the idea that the regulations don't require them to say what's in the final product
2025-04-19 09:51:38
at the very least, natural byproduct does not fit in either "total sugars" or "added sugars" recommendation on the FDA page you have because they are neither added to the product, nor are they natural in the product. I would have to read the legislation regarding this again, and it may have changed since, but I would not put stock in a company honestly claiming natural byproduct
Traneptora
Quackdoc at the very least, natural byproduct does not fit in either "total sugars" or "added sugars" recommendation on the FDA page you have because they are neither added to the product, nor are they natural in the product. I would have to read the legislation regarding this again, and it may have changed since, but I would not put stock in a company honestly claiming natural byproduct
2025-04-19 09:52:59
this page tbf is a statement to the public, and not a regulation definition
2025-04-19 09:53:10
I'm sure there's some sort of definition about metabolizing and the like
2025-04-19 09:53:25
like carbohydrates that are metabolized that fit a specific category etc
Quackdoc
2025-04-19 09:53:33
indeed, there is a proper definition, but last time I checked it out, it was burried in a 700 page pdf
Traneptora
2025-04-19 09:53:37
yea
Quackdoc
2025-04-19 09:53:49
this was *yeears ago* now tho
Traneptora
2025-04-19 09:53:52
I don't know enough about nutrition to give you a definition though
2025-04-19 09:53:59
that is all-encompassing
2025-04-19 09:54:14
that's why the FDA has experts to do that
2025-04-19 09:55:05
but if there's maltose in the product I'd imagine that's pretty unambiguously "sugar"
2025-04-19 09:55:26
the question is more of the "added vs not" kind of thing
Quackdoc
2025-04-19 09:55:35
well, in the end, theres a good chance that this will all be significantly shaken up sooner rather then later [av1_dogelol](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/867794291652558888.webp?size=48&name=av1_dogelol)
Traneptora
2025-04-19 09:55:40
yea true
2025-04-19 09:55:53
it occurred to me that this may come up with yeast as well. you add sugar to bread dough because yeast turns it into carbon dioxide
2025-04-19 09:56:02
but you don't list the sugar that isn't in the bread itself
2025-04-19 09:56:30
cause that's now air
Quackdoc
2025-04-19 09:57:11
speaking of yeast and diet stuff, my pops botched his last batch of beer stuff so now we are shifting to making vodka [av1_dogelol](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/867794291652558888.webp?size=48&name=av1_dogelol) well at least it will have less calories
Fox Wizard
2025-04-19 02:05:14
What is this doing in a random river <:KekDog:884736660376535040>
jonnyawsom3
2025-04-19 03:27:05
Testing water resistance
dogelition
2025-04-19 08:34:42
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1961406
diskorduser
2025-04-20 03:33:23
Google photos on Android is showing blank jxl files on the home page. But the decoding is not working. Is jxl support coming?
Quackdoc
2025-04-20 03:41:30
maybe eventually, but this is likely just a consequence of them updating their baked in mimes in the ndk so no jxl is registering as an image
2025-04-20 03:41:42
but I havent seen any activity around jxl elsewise
2025-04-20 03:42:29
I would reccomended reporting this as a google review and on phone manufacture's forums and customer support
bonnibel
2025-04-20 02:14:37
played with resizing some more. no fancy integration (yet), just wrote some toy EWA code and swapped out the distance metric here's an impulse upscaled with a lanczos3 filter, using tensor, romboidal-weighted averaging (L1), elliptical-weighted averaging (L2), and rectangular-weighted averaging (Linf)
2025-04-20 02:16:51
honestly L1 and L-inf look very funky
2025-04-20 02:24:40
perhaps the future is in squircle-weighted averaging
Demiurge
2025-04-20 02:40:28
Squircle
bonnibel
2025-04-20 02:44:04
i think tensor and square are the only ones i could feasibly do integrals with
2025-04-20 02:44:24
unless i find some way to do polar integrals that make sense for pixel areas without running into the same complexity i did when i did the stuff with treating both input & output pixels as gaussians
CrushedAsian255
2025-04-20 04:24:51
What was the source data?
bonnibel
2025-04-20 04:29:35
for these images: a single white pixel on a black background
bonnibel i think tensor and square are the only ones i could feasibly do integrals with
2025-04-20 04:36:51
i guess i could warp the image into an ellipse centred on the target pixel and then do polar integration... not sure if thatd look good though
_wb_
2025-04-20 04:45:29
This is with lanczos upsampling or something similar?
bonnibel
2025-04-20 04:46:37
yeah, it's lanczos (sinc-windowed sinc, with 3 lobes)
2025-04-20 05:00:56
here it is separately/tensor scaled, but using the integral of lanczos over the area of the source pixels rather than the point value at the centre
2025-04-20 05:01:16
it's a lot softer
damian101
2025-04-20 05:03:41
Upscaling? I think I preferred EWA Ginseng
bonnibel
2025-04-20 05:32:16
normally i use EWA kaiser windowed jinc with the alpha & blur tuned, i'm just playing with new stuff here that isn't in mpv or imagemagick
spider-mario
bonnibel played with resizing some more. no fancy integration (yet), just wrote some toy EWA code and swapped out the distance metric here's an impulse upscaled with a lanczos3 filter, using tensor, romboidal-weighted averaging (L1), elliptical-weighted averaging (L2), and rectangular-weighted averaging (Linf)
2025-04-20 06:45:23
the third (elliptical) is the theoretically-correct one, right?
bonnibel
2025-04-20 07:01:27
afaik the first (tensor) is the most theorically correct one because both input & output images are discretely sampled on a rectangle, for a continuous 2d image the third (elliptical) would be correct (though you'd use a jinc function, not a sinc as i did here)
spider-mario
2025-04-20 07:12:46
even with discrete sampling, isn’t sinc interpolation the one that recreates the underlying continuous signal (as long as it’s band-limited)?
2025-04-20 07:13:16
and since, when upsampling, it would still be band-limited, sampling discretely again is correct
2025-04-20 07:15:03
(do I see clipping in the centre, though?)
bonnibel
2025-04-20 07:24:09
i think the justification is that that with elliptical you're in polar space, and while sinc is the ifft of a rectangle jinc is the ifft of a circle
2025-04-20 10:08:50
the argument against ellipse i've heard is "the nyquist frequency of images is higher on diagonals, so you don't want the filter to have the same size on diagonals"
2025-04-20 10:13:10
i'm not sure how much water that holds though... as long as the aspect ratio remains the same, the nyquist on the diagonal scales with the same factor as on the horizontal & vertical
DZgas Ж
2025-04-21 06:51:27
I recently came across s-spline. this is some kind of long-forgotten technology that has been commercialized.
2025-04-21 06:54:15
https://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~deboor/ftpreadme.html https://ftp.cs.wisc.edu/Approx/ https://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~deboor/
2025-04-21 06:55:26
2025-04-21 06:57:24
In fact, I'm so confused that I'm not sure if s-spline is "smoothing spline" anymore.
2025-04-21 06:58:32
nevertheless, it scales smooth surfaces and drawings perfectly, better than any neural network. Completely without artifacts
spider-mario
2025-04-21 04:49:26
https://youtu.be/6DifrkaALOg
2025-04-21 04:49:30
> Primer is an introduction to oscilloscope music, a genre and art form where vector visuals are formed by the music itself. The image is produced by using the left audio channel to control the beam on the X axis, and the right audio channel to control the beam on the Y axis.
A homosapien
2025-04-21 06:31:30
Whoa, I didn't know Revision did oscilloscope music! This one is one of my personal favorites. https://youtu.be/H5NK549Lg1I?feature=shared
Fab
2025-04-22 07:56:22
First study shyness of my cousin girl
2025-04-22 07:56:29
Not autism related
2025-04-22 07:57:20
I already imported new cokkies doppiozerocpm ottverse com ansiaGam medicinal.com ahdh cloudinary and also this
2025-04-22 07:57:40
And also accepted youtube
2025-04-22 07:57:55
Privacy isn't a problem i use Chrome
2025-04-22 07:58:00
On mobile
2025-04-22 07:58:07
And i like gemini
2025-04-22 10:24:10
2025-04-22 10:35:39
Ok I finished reporting thing of my life
2025-04-22 10:35:57
2025-04-22 10:42:18
2025-04-22 10:42:39
Did a newer version with aleo this included
2025-04-22 10:43:11
Sorry but it isn't scientific such as the article before in sagepub
2025-04-22 10:51:31
https://www.ilsussidiario.net/news/adolescenti-mezzo-milione-e-a-rischio-dipendenza-da-internet-370mila-con-disturbi-alimentari/2704391/
2025-04-22 10:51:44
I did another reissue based on that
2025-04-22 10:51:53
I fisiatra 20 sites
_wb_
2025-04-22 11:43:06
Is it just me or is there something wrong with this progress bar? It looks like it's at 20% or so but it has actually fetches less than 10%. Why do they do that?
Quackdoc
2025-04-22 11:49:31
thats weird for sure
2025-04-22 11:49:59
~~progress bar in log supremacy~~
CrushedAsian255
_wb_ Is it just me or is there something wrong with this progress bar? It looks like it's at 20% or so but it has actually fetches less than 10%. Why do they do that?
2025-04-22 01:29:58
Apple isn’t know for making the most helpful and accurate data visualisations
𝕰𝖒𝖗𝖊
2025-04-22 02:42:17
``` int main() { int progress = 0; int target = 100; int step; srand(time(NULL)); while (progress < target) { if (progress < 99) { step = rand() % 10 + 1; if (progress + step > 99) { progress = 99; } else { progress += step; } } else { progress = 100; } display_progress_bar(progress, BAR_WIDTH); usleep(300000); } printf("\nDone!\n"); return 0; } ```
2025-04-22 02:44:37
Actually they should also hide the downloaded amount in bytes. That's when it's actually fun.
CrushedAsian255
𝕰𝖒𝖗𝖊 Actually they should also hide the downloaded amount in bytes. That's when it's actually fun.
2025-04-23 01:55:54
you forgot to add a usleep for like 3 hours just before `progress = 100;`
bonnibel
2025-04-23 03:30:29
concentric rings downscaled with normal point lanczos and area integrated lanczos. looks like the latter is a better low pass filter
2025-04-23 03:31:25
i should probably find a better window (though that's hard as those don't all result in easy integrals), and maybe scale the filter to realign the zero crossings to be at integer distances again
DZgas Ж
2025-04-24 05:08:10
fuck lanczos All My Homies use spline
2025-04-24 05:12:18
the main lancozs problem is obvious. The downscale content will upscale again to the size of the screen. because of this, there are too many artifacts. but if the content is not upscaled, then the area is better.
diskorduser
2025-04-24 06:14:39
Is there any "AI" based image downscaler?
A homosapien
2025-04-24 06:23:22
None as far as I know
kkourin
2025-04-25 02:50:46
https://netflixtechblog.com/for-your-eyes-only-improving-netflix-video-quality-with-neural-networks-5b8d032da09c
bonnibel
DZgas Ж the main lancozs problem is obvious. The downscale content will upscale again to the size of the screen. because of this, there are too many artifacts. but if the content is not upscaled, then the area is better.
2025-04-25 06:56:02
i mean yeah ideally dont downsample if youre just gonna upsample again later but sometimes you have to downsample e.g. if the image is larger than the display area, or because of external requirements
A homosapien None as far as I know
2025-04-25 06:56:49
i suspect theres also just a lot less to gain from using neural networks for downscaling than there is for upscaling
2025-04-25 06:57:16
because you're reducing information rather than having to invent new information out of thin air
2025-04-25 07:09:56
theres some more advanced downscaling algorithms that use stuff like edge detection or separating the image into frequency bands to try and preserve more perceptually relevant information, but i dont think theyve seen much use
Fab
2025-04-25 08:18:34
I have done research on nomoohoby
2025-04-25 08:18:51
Nomophobia
Meow
2025-04-26 12:30:32
by GPT-4o
Kleis Auke
2025-04-26 01:57:10
Here's a funky animated WebP that displays with lag and stutter in Chrome, but displays fine in Firefox: <https://github.com/weserv/images/issues/453> (all frames are 20ms; viewer discretion is advised for people with photosensitive epilepsy)
CrushedAsian255
2025-04-27 06:46:46
<@1285663980185976975> what is your primary language?
Fab
2025-04-27 06:47:39
I speak only Italian and English, though I'm Catania from sIcily
2025-04-27 06:48:15
My primary language I write in Italian
2025-04-27 06:48:54
2025-04-27 06:49:29
Is evident quitely that My primary language is Italian in the backwards songwriting
2025-04-27 06:49:51
I'm Italian
2025-04-27 06:50:19
Terrone
CrushedAsian255
Fab Is evident quitely that My primary language is Italian in the backwards songwriting
2025-04-27 06:50:38
Type your message in Italian and use this prompt: `Translate the following messages in the JPEG XL Discord server from Italian to English. [message]` Then paste your message.
Fab
2025-04-27 06:50:40
South origin romanian
2025-04-27 06:51:18
I want to use notepad.exe
2025-04-27 06:51:39
Or simpleeditor
CrushedAsian255
2025-04-27 06:52:01
Type in notepad and then paste into the AI
Fab
2025-04-27 06:52:03
What does it changes
2025-04-27 06:52:38
Deepseek seeks from Reddit?
2025-04-27 06:52:59
How it login security is ableist
CrushedAsian255
2025-04-27 06:53:29
DeepSeek is an AI model
Fab
2025-04-27 06:59:55
Ok
2025-04-27 07:00:00
Good
2025-04-27 07:00:26
Do you use in local
2025-04-27 07:00:30
Me not
CrushedAsian255 DeepSeek is an AI model
2025-04-27 07:35:11
It won't make a list. It says the server is busy
2025-04-27 07:35:25
I requested a txt
2025-04-27 07:35:44
Is this wrong to ask in Deepseek?
A homosapien
2025-04-27 07:42:44
Then use Chatgpt
Kupitman
Meow by GPT-4o
2025-04-27 01:06:06
Furry-GPT
Meow
2025-04-27 01:09:56
2025-04-27 01:09:57
This is the most iconic one that GPT-4o generated
2025-04-27 03:43:05
New result
Demiurge
2025-04-27 03:58:23
What? But there aren’t 7 or 8 fingers per hand
RaveSteel
2025-04-27 04:06:49
AI image generation has improved massively in the last few months
2025-04-27 04:07:06
Mostly smaller details are still wrong
2025-04-27 04:07:24
Eyes for example or fingernails
Meow
2025-04-27 04:08:28
Minor artefacts could happen in human-made drawings too
2025-04-27 04:11:42
The milestone is that people no longer need to learn how to select and combine dozens (sometimes hundreds) of spell-like prompts
gb82
2025-04-27 08:01:07
<@1028567873007927297> (guessing ur a mod) is this appropriate? ^
Lumen
2025-04-27 08:01:23
I was a bit confused as well
jonnyawsom3
gb82 <@1028567873007927297> (guessing ur a mod) is this appropriate? ^
2025-04-27 08:45:39
Not a mod, there is an <@&807636211489177661> role, but I don't actually know who has it... One way to find out :P
gb82
2025-04-27 08:47:47
<@794205442175402004> ?
_wb_
2025-04-27 08:50:12
Do I need to moderate something? Please all just be nice.
gb82
2025-04-27 11:09:12
<@794205442175402004> probably this needs moderating
Demiurge
2025-04-28 01:18:32
Not a mod, just a <:JXL:805850130203934781> fan :)
jonnyawsom3
2025-04-28 01:33:21
And I only have powers in libjxl
CrushedAsian255
And I only have powers in libjxl
2025-04-28 02:26:44
<#804324493420920833> ? or the repo
jonnyawsom3
2025-04-28 02:27:10
The repo
Meow
2025-04-28 05:31:05
Uh that hanging message was removed
Kupitman
2025-04-28 05:41:15
Sex
diskorduser
2025-04-28 06:11:01
What hanging
Meow
2025-04-28 07:28:48
No matter how good it is, AI remains AI
Demiurge
2025-04-28 08:10:07
I think earlier some people were surprised when I suggested that maybe people put harmful ingredients into food knowingly, and intentionally, either for the lulz or because they want to "cull the surplus population" or whatever. But calcium carbonate, an ingredient known to cause heart attacks and atherosclerosis, is added to vegetable-based milk substitutes and it's hard to find products without it when I go shopping for almond milk...
2025-04-28 08:11:42
You would think it would stop being added, in significant quantities, to calcium-fortified products after it's discovered it causes heart attacks. But no...
2025-04-28 08:13:16
Just another day on this weird planet.
2025-04-28 08:13:58
One day I hope scientists discover intelligent life on Earth
CrushedAsian255
2025-04-28 08:16:01
isn't calcium carbonate chalk?
spider-mario
Demiurge You would think it would stop being added, in significant quantities, to calcium-fortified products after it's discovered it causes heart attacks. But no...
2025-04-28 08:53:29
you seem to be referring to the studies that found an increased risk with calcium supplementation in general (and not all studies that looked into it found such a link)
Demiurge
CrushedAsian255 isn't calcium carbonate chalk?
2025-04-28 08:53:47
Yes
spider-mario
2025-04-28 08:53:50
so to the extent that it’s a problem, it would be the case for calcium-fortified products in general, not specifically carbonate
Demiurge
2025-04-28 08:53:56
Iirc
spider-mario
2025-04-28 08:54:09
one of those studies: “5.8% of those taking calcium [supplements] had a cardiovascular event, compared with 5.5% of those taking placebo.”
2025-04-28 08:54:52
I think calling it “known to cause heart attacks” is a stretch
Demiurge
spider-mario so to the extent that it’s a problem, it would be the case for calcium-fortified products in general, not specifically carbonate
2025-04-28 08:54:52
Well no, it's specifically some forms of calcium supplements more than others. Calcium citrate was found to be fine iirc
spider-mario
2025-04-28 08:55:07
would you have a source?
Demiurge
2025-04-28 08:55:36
Not on hand, but I'm sure I can find it again.
spider-mario
2025-04-28 08:55:45
that would be appreciated
Demiurge
2025-04-28 08:58:04
Sure enough I get lots of results when I do a search. Here's one meta-analysis that's already 4 years old now and still they put a very large amount of this shit in our drinks in my country. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7910980/
2025-04-28 08:59:14
And yes I'm pretty sure it's actually, literally chalk
2025-04-28 09:01:05
Your body can't actually absorb the nutrient that well because, what did you expect from eating chalk... but apparently it can still harden the cholesterol in your arteries and help plaque to form.
2025-04-28 09:04:32
I found this out when I was researching what kind of minerals I should supplement with since I drink mostly RO-water, and drinking mainly RO-water for a long time isn't good for bones and teeth in the long run... and I have been drinking it for years as my main beverage.
2025-04-28 09:05:53
Normal water has calcium and salt and other trace minerals in it.
2025-04-28 09:11:38
Almond milk is basically a colloid of chalk, gums and almondstuff.
spider-mario
2025-04-28 09:12:39
right, they found that “In the subgroup meta-analysis, dietary calcium intake of 700–1000 mg per day or supplementary calcium intake of 1000 mg per day significantly increased the risk of CVD and CHD”, and they also did a subgroup analysis on the type of supplement but don’t mention its results, suggesting that they found no link there
Demiurge
2025-04-28 09:12:53
It's pretty hard to find non dairy milk substitutes that don't contain an abundance of added CaCO3 to "fortify" it with added calcium
spider-mario
2025-04-28 09:14:01
to me, this reads as “too much calcium is not great”, whether it’s carbonate or not
Demiurge
spider-mario right, they found that “In the subgroup meta-analysis, dietary calcium intake of 700–1000 mg per day or supplementary calcium intake of 1000 mg per day significantly increased the risk of CVD and CHD”, and they also did a subgroup analysis on the type of supplement but don’t mention its results, suggesting that they found no link there
2025-04-28 09:14:03
I remember there being a link. I can try looking more
spider-mario to me, this reads as “too much calcium is not great”, whether it’s carbonate or not
2025-04-28 09:14:22
But that's believable too
2025-04-28 09:14:50
If you enjoy the taste of almond milk then you'll get a pretty big dose...
spider-mario
2025-04-28 09:15:43
it might even be that it doesn’t have all that much to do with whether it’s supplemental or dietary, other than high doses being more easily achievable with supplements
2025-04-28 09:16:09
as with vitamin C, where you’ll find roughly 100mg in an orange but you can easily buy 1g capsules
A homosapien
2025-04-28 09:16:34
Not a big surprise, the supplement industry with its scummy practices strike again
spider-mario
2025-04-28 09:17:03
($4-5 for 60 capsules https://www.iherb.com/pr/california-gold-nutrition-gold-c-usp-grade-vitamin-c-1-000-mg-60-veggie-capsules/61864)
Demiurge
2025-04-28 09:17:53
I guess it's really tempting to rationalize and excuse absurd decisions and behavior, especially when it has a very negative effect on thousands of people, but the way I see it, we know it causes heart attacks for 4 years now and life (and death) goes on...
2025-04-28 09:18:26
Cuz it's cheap and makes money, mainly
2025-04-28 09:18:36
It's "healthy!"
2025-04-28 09:19:24
"Healthy" is basically defined by "whatever makes tons of money"
2025-04-28 09:20:27
I also heard beverage companies (soda pop) are owned by the dental and drug industry
2025-04-28 09:21:36
The people responsible for issuing guidance on health are the same people who sap us of nutrition
spider-mario
Demiurge I also heard beverage companies (soda pop) are owned by the dental and drug industry
2025-04-28 09:21:46
sounds conspiracy-theory-like to me
RaveSteel
2025-04-28 09:21:51
Beverage companies are mostly owned by Nestlé IIRC
2025-04-28 09:22:00
Or Pepsico
Demiurge
spider-mario sounds conspiracy-theory-like to me
2025-04-28 09:22:10
Yep 😂 but truth is usually far stranger than the stories
spider-mario
2025-04-28 09:22:36
and the likely intended implication is contradicted by how widespread it has been in recent years to replace sugar with sweeteners with no adverse effect (or even beneficial effects) on dental health
Demiurge
2025-04-28 09:25:15
I'm sure there's a lot of overlap between big agra and big pharma. Manufacturing drugs to kill insects and other parasites and modifying the genome of commercial crops is not so different from modern medicine.
2025-04-28 09:28:04
I don't know that much about the beverage industry but I heard they are basically the same as the drug companies. Maybe I heard that because most soda flavors were famously invented by pharmacists
spider-mario
2025-04-28 09:28:23
I’m not sure what “basically the same” would mean in this context
Demiurge
2025-04-28 09:28:24
Like coca cola, dr. Pepper, 7-up
spider-mario I’m not sure what “basically the same” would mean in this context
2025-04-28 09:29:01
The same umbrella corp
2025-04-28 09:29:30
Like selling soda is their side hustle
2025-04-28 09:30:02
Like the archetypical dentist that owns the candy store
2025-04-28 09:34:07
I guess the bottom line is, people who are in positions of established authority got that way because they were looking out for themselves, not for you. Yet the quaint human race is always so ever trusting of authority figures. If there's an official title or badge, then there obviously must be a good reason why you're doing whatever it is. You wouldn't have that badge if you weren't trustworthy, right?
2025-04-28 09:36:54
I try to always look at human beings through the lens of their supposed intents and incentives.
_wb_
2025-04-28 09:36:57
Lots of things were invented by pharmacists, e.g. also Belgian chocolates as we know them now: > Having arrived in Brussels from his native Switzerland, Jean Neuhaus opened an apothecary shop in 1857 at the Galeries Royales, near the Grand-Place. He began his business by covering the medicines in chocolate to make them easier to handle. Liquorices, guimauves (similar to marshmallows) and dark chocolate tablets soon joined more traditional preparations on the display counter. > from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuhaus_(chocolatier)
spider-mario
2025-04-28 09:37:46
some of my own bias here is that I help admin a Facebook support group for a chronic health condition and I see a lot of unsubstantiated fear mongering and sometimes conspiracy theories as well (“they make sublethal antibiotics on purpose so that we stay infected and we have to keep buying their antibiotics”)
2025-04-28 09:38:22
indirectly relatedly to this activity, I read https://www.cia.gov/resources/csi/static/Pyschology-of-Intelligence-Analysis.pdf which I found quite interesting
2025-04-28 09:38:35
e.g. > Intelligence analysts are more exposed than most people to hard evidence of real plots, coups, and conspiracies in the international arena. Despite this—or perhaps because of it—most intelligence analysts are not especially prone to what are generally regarded as conspiracy theories.
2025-04-28 09:39:31
_wb_
2025-04-28 09:40:43
Most of the bad stuff happening in the world is not a matter of evil conspiracies, but just the emergent behavior you get in a multi-agent system where profit maximization is the primary objective / survival criterion.
Demiurge
spider-mario some of my own bias here is that I help admin a Facebook support group for a chronic health condition and I see a lot of unsubstantiated fear mongering and sometimes conspiracy theories as well (“they make sublethal antibiotics on purpose so that we stay infected and we have to keep buying their antibiotics”)
2025-04-28 09:40:43
Well I can see why you would be frustrated in that position. I think people need to have some healthy independence and skepticism but at the same time look at things from a place of calm and cold rationality
2025-04-28 09:42:01
The cold rational truth is most people believe what they are doing is right, because the alternative is cognitive dissonance that makes it difficult to function effectively in life
2025-04-28 09:43:27
But it's good to be open minded enough to consider multiple perspectives and points of view as possible, coldly and rationally without any unnecessary judgement.
spider-mario
2025-04-28 09:43:56
the thing is that possible ≠ probable
Demiurge
spider-mario the thing is that possible ≠ probable
2025-04-28 09:44:36
That's why you need to be cold about it, without bias or judgement, so you can consider how likely something actually is without jumping to absolutes.
2025-04-28 09:45:13
And consider how to test if you're wrong
2025-04-28 09:45:37
But a lot of sciency types are trained to be good about that :)
2025-04-28 09:45:49
Not always, though
spider-mario
2025-04-28 09:46:20
this brings us to another (and perhaps absolute) favourite book of mine: https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/probability-theory/9CA08E224FF30123304E6D8935CF1A99#fndtn-information
2025-04-28 09:47:08
Demiurge
_wb_ Most of the bad stuff happening in the world is not a matter of evil conspiracies, but just the emergent behavior you get in a multi-agent system where profit maximization is the primary objective / survival criterion.
2025-04-28 09:51:12
We don't live in a world where profit maximization is the primary objective or survival criterion. We live in a multi-agent world where all the agents have CHOSEN for that to be their main objective. They have chosen to do things they don't need to do, and to continue on acquiring more even after their tummies are full.
2025-04-28 09:52:20
But it's a childish oversimplification to jump from there and go on to blame those that have too much for being responsible for creating the existence of those that have too little.
2025-04-28 09:54:30
The point is we live in a multi agent world where a lot of the agents do some pretty dumb shit and are caught in some kind of infinite cycle they are waiting to escape from. Including, and especially, you and I.
2025-04-28 09:56:40
Recognizing and breaking out of these cycles is something we can do for ourselves, and maybe leave some hints behind to help others, but for the most part it's better to focus on things we know we have more control over.
A homosapien
spider-mario this brings us to another (and perhaps absolute) favourite book of mine: https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/probability-theory/9CA08E224FF30123304E6D8935CF1A99#fndtn-information
2025-04-28 10:16:42
Oooohh, I'm just started statistics classes as part of my undergrad and so far I'm loving it. I'll give this a read once I actually understand higher level the higher level stuff.
spider-mario
A homosapien Oooohh, I'm just started statistics classes as part of my undergrad and so far I'm loving it. I'll give this a read once I actually understand higher level the higher level stuff.
2025-04-28 10:52:59
preface: > A previous acquaintance with probability and statistics is not necessary; indeed, a certain amount of innocence in this area may be desirable, because there will be less to unlearn.
A homosapien
2025-04-28 10:55:42
Nice to know, maybe after exams then <:FeelsReadingMan:808827102278451241>
Fab
2025-04-28 11:08:01
Intestring
_wb_
2025-04-28 12:05:58
In a free market with competition between companies, it is not a matter of choice: companies making more profit will attract more investors and outcompete other companies, and eventually acquire them or drive them out of business. So at the individual agent level it's of course a matter of choice, but those who choose to prioritize other things than the bottom line of profit-maximization will generally tend to disappear or at least become/remain less relevant.
Fab
2025-04-28 02:11:09
2025-04-28 02:12:06
Smartphone addiction all covered
jonnyawsom3
2025-04-28 10:33:21
https://fixupx.com/gatinarios/status/1916559579590127663
diskorduser
2025-04-29 09:37:27
Jpegxl page on jpeg dot org uses avif 🤷🏽‍♂️
_wb_
2025-04-29 09:50:30
``` <picture> <source srcset="../images/jpegxl-home.jxl" type="image/jxl"> <source srcset="../images/jpegxl-home.avif" type="image/avif"> <img class="standard-home-image" src="../images/jpegxl-home.jpg"/> </picture> ```
2025-04-29 09:51:45
it uses jxl if the browser supports it, but for Chrome it does have an avif fallback so you get an HDR image there too
A homosapien
2025-04-29 09:51:56
I only use browsers that support JXL nowadays
CrushedAsian255
A homosapien I only use browsers that support JXL nowadays
2025-04-29 09:56:16
I use Thorium for chromium and Waterfox for Firefox engine
Quackdoc
2025-04-29 09:56:18
I wish that were me [av1_cheems](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/720670067091570719.webp?size=48&name=av1_cheems)
_wb_ ``` <picture> <source srcset="../images/jpegxl-home.jxl" type="image/jxl"> <source srcset="../images/jpegxl-home.avif" type="image/avif"> <img class="standard-home-image" src="../images/jpegxl-home.jpg"/> </picture> ```
2025-04-29 09:56:43
~~use wasm~~
Kupitman
CrushedAsian255 I use Thorium for chromium and Waterfox for Firefox engine
2025-04-29 10:10:20
Floorp solo
jonnyawsom3
Quackdoc ~~use wasm~~
2025-04-29 10:13:05
I do, but picture elements are buggy
Demiurge
_wb_ In a free market with competition between companies, it is not a matter of choice: companies making more profit will attract more investors and outcompete other companies, and eventually acquire them or drive them out of business. So at the individual agent level it's of course a matter of choice, but those who choose to prioritize other things than the bottom line of profit-maximization will generally tend to disappear or at least become/remain less relevant.
2025-04-29 10:13:08
Well, the idea of competition is that people don't HAVE to continue using a shitty corporate product that keeps getting shittier. People should have the freedom to switch to an alternative or make their own alternative. That's what competition really means. In the browser market, browser makers intentionally evolved the browser into becoming an unsustainably complex security and compatibility nightmare, so that competition in browser engines is less and less practically feasible for engineers.
2025-04-29 10:15:42
Competition is supposed to be this constant force or pressure being exerted on businesses to prevent their products from getting shitty enough that people decide to replace them.
2025-04-29 10:16:47
Well, it's not "supposed" to be anything because it just is what it is, as a natural phenomenon in a free society
_wb_
2025-04-29 10:18:18
In many industries, it is really hard to just "make your own alternative". 'Consumer power' often boils down to picking your poison from a small set of shitty alternatives, and while it probably does help a bit, I don't believe it really suffices to counteract the force of profit maximization and the tendency for things to get shitty.
Demiurge
2025-04-29 10:23:15
Yeah, unfortunately even when you have a free society, people still try to trick people into becoming dependent on them. Like how everyone is dependent on Chromium and online commerce is dependent on shitty web browser "standards" that aren't actually standard
2025-04-29 10:24:08
People will always try to find a way to control other people even when everyone is given freedom...
2025-04-29 10:25:26
What's the solution? I dunno, probably talking about it helps.
Quackdoc
I do, but picture elements are buggy
2025-04-29 10:50:03
rip
spider-mario
2025-04-29 10:51:28
yes, there are a lot of potential barriers to entry for newcomers, and that’s something that anti-monopoly laws strive to fight against, for example
2025-04-29 10:52:01
such as Microsoft (ab)using their position of dominance in desktop operating systems to impose their web browser (Internet Explorer 6) as well
Quackdoc
2025-04-29 11:04:28
well, the majority of issue right now is the technological barriers, even keeping on top of CSS alone is a full time job of multiple developers.
Demiurge What's the solution? I dunno, probably talking about it helps.
2025-04-29 11:05:17
the solution is easy, support third party browsers. servo and ladybird have progressed immensly, to the point where, as a browser engine, servo is almost at the state of, if you are exceptionally tolerant to bugs , daily usability
2025-04-29 11:05:42
ofc you need everything around it like extensions, downloads, etc. but thats a job for the browser and not webengine
Demiurge
2025-04-29 11:11:51
If you ask me, we need to completely replace those crappy "standards" with actual standards actually designed with simplicity/security and consent in mind
2025-04-29 11:12:07
Not as a mere afterthought
Quackdoc
2025-04-29 11:12:54
sadly a lot of people value backwards compatibility so that wont happen
Demiurge
2025-04-29 11:13:00
But that won't happen because the standards and browsers are made by data brokers who collect and sell your info
Quackdoc
2025-04-29 11:13:41
well, pretty much all of that can be disabled without too much issues.
2025-04-29 11:13:50
even without that, css is just really fucking complex
2025-04-29 11:27:20
speaking of other browsers tho, ladybird refuses to compile for me, it seems to require a wack load of deps I don't have the space for, meanwhile servo compile folder is a measly 5.5gb ofc you have the other rust related things tho
Meow
2025-04-29 03:43:36
diskorduser
Meow
2025-04-29 03:56:53
Made with chatgpt?
Meow
2025-04-29 04:48:40
Sure
Kupitman
2025-04-29 07:15:50
Meow
jonnyawsom3
2025-04-29 09:03:43
One of these is not like the others
Meow
2025-04-30 03:04:51
By the way the model is now called GPT Image 1 https://platform.openai.com/docs/models/gpt-image-1
CrushedAsian255
Meow By the way the model is now called GPT Image 1 https://platform.openai.com/docs/models/gpt-image-1
2025-04-30 04:00:48
geez
Meow
2025-04-30 04:04:42
The price is for API
CrushedAsian255
Meow The price is for API
2025-04-30 04:05:20
i know, i use API
Meow
CrushedAsian255 i know, i use API
2025-04-30 04:40:45
How do you use it?
CrushedAsian255
Meow How do you use it?
2025-04-30 04:47:41
https://platform.openai.com/docs/guides/image-generation?image-generation-model=gpt-image-1
2025-04-30 04:47:54
You may need to do KYC A
Meow
2025-04-30 05:15:26
I subscribed ChatGPT Plus instead
2025-04-30 05:15:56
and the image generation is not my only need
CrushedAsian255
2025-04-30 05:17:29
$20/month is a bit much for me so I use the API as it is pay-as-you-go
Meow
2025-04-30 05:51:32
My usage would result in $20/day with the API
2025-04-30 12:01:33
Who says GPT Image 1 can't generate 🔞
jonnyawsom3
2025-04-30 02:10:09
Get in the robot Shinji
spider-mario
2025-04-30 10:22:26
I like being able to ask AIs this sort of niche question https://g.co/gemini/share/1245ed33362b
Demiurge
2025-05-01 04:40:10
I never heard of "micron" symbol
2025-05-01 04:40:18
Must be a unicode thing
2025-05-01 04:40:40
Just an alias for the greek letter mu
2025-05-01 04:41:25
I thought THIS was the micron symbol
2025-05-01 04:42:56
I guess unicode represents ideas instead of glyphs?
jonnyawsom3
2025-05-01 04:44:48
Metric moment
Meow
2025-05-01 04:51:51
With a background now
diskorduser
2025-05-01 05:14:42
https://www.threads.com/@pun_bible/post/DJFAMYqoGF3?xmt=AQGzkPjf51PgIIwQUwQw7FgHeavseF63jwYBCIRjtGevig
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
2025-05-01 03:38:50
Hello
Demiurge
2025-05-01 07:49:41
Hello. You have entered the off topic zone.
Meow
2025-05-02 01:24:59
The ||NSFW|| zone
Lumen
Meow The ||NSFW|| zone
2025-05-02 08:27:35
You are the only nsfw thing here 👀
Meow
2025-05-02 09:11:10
Yeah I am ||NSFW||
2025-05-02 09:16:06
Uh no those are made by ChatGPT not me
Lumen
2025-05-02 11:36:16
even your profile? ^^'
Meow
2025-05-02 12:08:10
Just some normal description
𝕰𝖒𝖗𝖊
Meow Just some normal description
2025-05-02 01:51:17
You have incredible videos.
2025-05-02 01:51:20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeI3QejVp2s
2025-05-02 01:51:27
Extra respect for this
Meow
𝕰𝖒𝖗𝖊 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeI3QejVp2s
2025-05-02 01:58:46
https://www.wowhead.com/dressing-room#fN8zm0zJ80z08cE8D28cv8DH8cl8Fn8cC8FX8aK8Moq8zYD8dL28Mtu877EJMf87V5gP8MUL87meS487cBcv87MBcv87o
2025-05-02 01:59:00
Then select CombatWound
diskorduser
2025-05-03 11:46:17
Meow
2025-05-03 12:15:30
Traneptora
2025-05-03 02:34:44
nice
_wb_
2025-05-03 03:38:31
It's the same text in four directions, it would be better to continue the lyrics when rotating 45 degrees
2025-05-03 03:41:06
This kind of thing would make a nice carpet design, looking innocent from above but revealing some message when seen from a low enough angle...
Demiurge
2025-05-03 04:50:58
I can't read anything at all
2025-05-03 04:51:12
Except for your mind
jonnyawsom3
Meow
2025-05-03 05:17:02
Not quite
A homosapien
2025-05-03 05:19:53
https://tenor.com/view/rickroll-bailu-gif-13109126276794815880
jonnyawsom3
2025-05-03 05:25:35
Also <@892795132531838997> https://discord.com/channels/794206087879852103/794206087879852106/1368229818004672642 I'm British born and raised. My town is one of the largest participants in Guy Fawkes Night. We **do not** burn the **Pope**. Guy fawkes was a soldier who tried to blow up Parliament to kill the king and put his daughter on the throne. I'm gonna stick to compression, but please don't twist our traditions to your favour
2025-05-03 05:25:56
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
Also <@892795132531838997> https://discord.com/channels/794206087879852103/794206087879852106/1368229818004672642 I'm British born and raised. My town is one of the largest participants in Guy Fawkes Night. We **do not** burn the **Pope**. Guy fawkes was a soldier who tried to blow up Parliament to kill the king and put his daughter on the throne. I'm gonna stick to compression, but please don't twist our traditions to your favour
2025-05-03 05:31:06
LOL know your history and know what is going on.
2025-05-03 05:32:17
Wow took me a whole 2 minutes to find.
2025-05-03 05:33:31
And if you knew a little history you would know it was something people did in the past and even Washington in America responding that the Protestant soldiers should stop it not to offend the Papist allies.
jonnyawsom3
2025-05-03 05:35:39
That was only done in the town of Lewes, the rest of the county has never used the pope, and very much still celebrate it today
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
Also <@892795132531838997> https://discord.com/channels/794206087879852103/794206087879852106/1368229818004672642 I'm British born and raised. My town is one of the largest participants in Guy Fawkes Night. We **do not** burn the **Pope**. Guy fawkes was a soldier who tried to blow up Parliament to kill the king and put his daughter on the throne. I'm gonna stick to compression, but please don't twist our traditions to your favour
2025-05-03 05:36:05
And if you do not burn the Pope at your place, maybe you should get on going with it again and keep the Protestant tradition alive!!!!
jonnyawsom3
2025-05-03 05:36:57
That was last year's celebration
JesusGod-Pope666.Info And if you do not burn the Pope at your place, maybe you should get on going with it again and keep the Protestant tradition alive!!!!
2025-05-03 05:38:37
We actually hold a competition of 'best effigy' with the winner getting put on top of the bonfire. Pretty sure someone turning up with the pope would be shunned
2025-05-03 05:39:18
Culture is weird, but it's better than a boring weekend
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
2025-05-03 05:39:49
2025-05-03 05:39:51
2025-05-03 05:40:14
No excuses you get on making that Poop for the next run!
2025-05-03 05:42:04
Cloth him as a Donkey or a pig in white ropes with some pagan Christmas green leave triple crown or something.
2025-05-03 05:42:37
Remember to put a 666 on him as well, maybe him holding a sign with 666.
2025-05-03 05:42:48
I am sure you can figure out something.
2025-05-03 05:42:57
Never forget, the Poop is Antichrist.
Traneptora
2025-05-04 03:08:42
????
2025-05-04 03:08:59
what is this childish evangelist garbage
2025-05-04 03:09:37
I know I said go to <#806898911091753051> but honestly just please no
2025-05-04 03:09:56
just not here at all
CrushedAsian255
2025-05-04 03:12:35
i am so confused with this conversation
diskorduser
JesusGod-Pope666.Info Never forget, the Poop is Antichrist.
2025-05-04 05:23:08
Poop or pope
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
2025-05-04 05:26:08
I call him the Poop.
2025-05-04 05:26:20
not allowed to call him Father, says my Master.
Traneptora I know I said go to <#806898911091753051> but honestly just please no
2025-05-04 05:26:35
off topic!
2025-05-04 05:26:39
Free speech 😛
Lumen
JesusGod-Pope666.Info Free speech 😛
2025-05-04 05:46:36
Free speech is an illusion And for the better
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
2025-05-04 05:47:23
As long as we do not promote porn, child stuff, transgender or murder on children and such I think we are doing okay 🙂
𝕰𝖒𝖗𝖊
2025-05-04 05:48:05
how do you compare porn and "transgender" to murder 😁
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
2025-05-04 05:48:17
We are just talking about burning the Poop in Effigy, just to have a reminder on who he is and what is going to happen to him when Christ comes back.
2025-05-04 05:49:05
Well..... like when they end up forcing children in that direction and they later find out it was a huge mistake when there brain begins to think or itself - and they where mislead.
2025-05-04 05:49:25
Like must be absolutely terrible to all of a sudden realize when you grow up, what they did to you.
2025-05-04 05:49:41
Sadly those voices are silenced and censored like so much of the rest.
Lumen
2025-05-04 05:50:32
I want to say things but I wont because this is not the place And you should be aware of that yourself
diskorduser
2025-05-04 05:53:39
https://www.threads.com/@massama_nature/post/DJN-FDJsDt7?xmt=AQGzC2jonNVSrVYTwLBvxLUZQA--2-Q9tJu1Rl2pwx9UYA
𝕰𝖒𝖗𝖊
JesusGod-Pope666.Info As long as we do not promote porn, child stuff, transgender or murder on children and such I think we are doing okay 🙂
2025-05-04 06:06:18
What you say is probably against Discord's TOS, I am not 100% sure though but I am definitely sure that it won't be tolerated here. There are MANY transgender people here in the multimedia community and some of them are very important contributors. So, I don't think this is allowed here. It's also technically not something that could be "promoted". There is also no reason to talk further about universally agreed upon values against "unethical" porn or murder (on anyone).
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
Lumen I want to say things but I wont because this is not the place And you should be aware of that yourself
2025-05-04 06:07:13
Living is offending 😉
𝕰𝖒𝖗𝖊 What you say is probably against Discord's TOS, I am not 100% sure though but I am definitely sure that it won't be tolerated here. There are MANY transgender people here in the multimedia community and some of them are very important contributors. So, I don't think this is allowed here. It's also technically not something that could be "promoted". There is also no reason to talk further about universally agreed upon values against "unethical" porn or murder (on anyone).
2025-05-04 06:07:55
of cause, software without politics are kinda they way to go and was in the past - just make good software and test things and all that.
2025-05-04 06:08:27
Sadly the open source and linux system been infiltrated with a lot of political battles over the last many years.
2025-05-04 06:08:51
lots of drama, while focus should be on the software.
2025-05-04 06:08:59
making good stuff for all, whoever it is.
𝕰𝖒𝖗𝖊
2025-05-04 06:09:43
Yeah, don't get me wrong. You are an interesting individual and I have checked your website and you are also allowed to have any opinion/belief. But when we talk to other people especially in a diverse community with many people from all backgrounds / cultures / values; you need to remember to keep a certain tone for topics. Most of these stuff can mean simply nothing to another person. We would like to keep it as objective or philosophical as possible.
damian101
Lumen Free speech is an illusion And for the better
2025-05-04 06:42:49
well, free from what
Traneptora
JesusGod-Pope666.Info Free speech 😛
2025-05-04 07:58:44
https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech_2x.png
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
2025-05-04 08:12:40
More like that sanity have left the room on many levels on the Internet with all the new young brain defiled satanists who are ruining everything we had in the past.
2025-05-04 08:13:48
kicking out and shutting down the good old people, programmers and such for having oppinions these new young people don't like because they love the Devil. So they ban people even from projects these people created - as they see them as having the wrong ideas and opinions. Utter disgusting.
2025-05-04 08:15:04
Like the madness is overwhelming in sociaty as a whole. I asked a woman out for dinner over email and had the Poolice contact me - lying about me contacting her all the time. But that is the world we live in now.
2025-05-04 08:16:02
And anyone who agrees to other peoples mental madness, and helps them in their evil delusion is themself partaking in utter evil madness.
2025-05-04 08:17:03
Like in the old days you just made software and helped eachother, you did not need to agree on politics - just making good software and helping others in the tech world.
2025-05-04 08:17:13
or religion or what not.
2025-05-04 08:17:52
We where the nerds - that was the thing that gathered us together - and we had our own views and opinions and interest.
2025-05-04 08:19:21
Think about Mastodon, you can have all sorts of sodomizing promotion on it, grooming of children and young people - but not allowed to have an oppinion against it without the risk of a ban. Absolutely madness.
2025-05-04 08:20:51
I like to not have nudes and sex stuff and LGBT grooming on my view on platforms, that is just my preffered thing. I have other interest.
2025-05-04 08:21:43
Like if I wanted such things, I could search it out for myself. Don't need to be pushed and force fed it on platforms - or agree to it.
2025-05-04 08:25:48
Like I think we have one sane voice on the internet, well maybe some more - of the old kind of way of things and views. Lunduke.
2025-05-04 08:26:12
and that is all we seem to have left from the old kind of ways of the world on the internet of making articles and news.
2025-05-04 08:26:27
And he is getting heavily hit from all angles it seems. Being called a Nazi and all sorts of things, although he is a Jew.
2025-05-04 08:26:48
Like can't even have 1 voice of sanity like the old days - even if one disagrees with him on stuff - but that was like kinda the old ways of things.
Oleksii Matiash
2025-05-04 08:40:35
^ Fab №2
Traneptora
2025-05-04 08:48:17
This server is not the place for these rants
_wb_
2025-05-04 09:55:47
If you want to rant, better to write a blog post on your website or something. This server is intended for conversation, not monologue.
Meow
2025-05-04 02:43:44
gb82
JesusGod-Pope666.Info As long as we do not promote porn, child stuff, transgender or murder on children and such I think we are doing okay 🙂
2025-05-04 05:30:43
<@&807636211489177661> you guys need to be more vigilant about moderation with this kind of stuff (scroll up more)
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
2025-05-04 05:32:43
No worries <@&807636211489177661> everything is fine.
_wb_
2025-05-04 05:34:00
No it's not. Transphobes / homophobes are not welcome here. Next time it will result in a ban.
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
_wb_ No it's not. Transphobes / homophobes are not welcome here. Next time it will result in a ban.
2025-05-04 06:04:25
You know what..... I guess I am coming out of the closet..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVbW1yWJu20
2025-05-04 06:07:16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mXVBZjz_SE
𝕰𝖒𝖗𝖊
JesusGod-Pope666.Info More like that sanity have left the room on many levels on the Internet with all the new young brain defiled satanists who are ruining everything we had in the past.
2025-05-04 07:37:13
Look, I'm going to be brutally honest: Your messages read like a manifesto from someone who's completely lost touch with reality and fallen down a rabbit hole of extremist thinking. Your username alone (JesusGod-Pope666.Info) is a bizarre contradiction that signals unstable thinking before you've written a single word. Then you launch into conspiracy theories about "satanists" and "Devil lovers" controlling tech? Seriously? Your police story is concerning. If police contacted you after ONE email asking someone to dinner, you're either leaving out critical details or engaged in behavior that genuinely alarmed someone. Normal dinner invitations don't trigger police involvement. Your "old days" of tech never existed. The tech world has always had standards and expectations. The difference is that now marginalized people have enough voice to push back against toxic behavior. Your persecution complex is textbook radicalization. When you see moderation as oppression but consider your own intolerance as righteousness, you've lost perspective entirely. Your posts read like someone who needs professional help, not technical discussion. I strongly suggest stepping back from these online echo chambers and reconnecting with reality. Please see this as a genuine critique. I needed to find a balance for my tone but couldn't do it better. Many more can be written but it's pointless.
gb82
JesusGod-Pope666.Info You know what..... I guess I am coming out of the closet..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVbW1yWJu20
2025-05-04 07:52:42
<@794205442175402004> you have to ban this guy
drhead
2025-05-04 07:53:06
And while you're at it, I have another person to ban
Lumen
drhead And while you're at it, I have another person to ban
2025-05-04 07:54:07
what is this scam? I don't really understand it (if you don't mind explaining) I don't really want to fall into it either
drhead
Lumen what is this scam? I don't really understand it (if you don't mind explaining) I don't really want to fall into it either
2025-05-04 07:54:52
They just shuffle you off to chat with a sock puppet impersonating a steam admin and they try to phish you
Lumen
2025-05-04 07:56:03
oh okay, if they impersonate a steam admin like that I have no risk of falling for it... Thank you for the remainder that I need to double my vigilance ^^
drhead
2025-05-04 07:56:05
I am honestly appalled that Discord hasn't already implemented some sort of heuristic filtering that auto ban hammers people who cold DM with a link to someone's steam profile.
2025-05-04 07:56:27
It's been almost a decade of this scam happening.
Lumen
2025-05-04 07:56:34
I never got that kind of thing
2025-05-04 07:56:52
I also unlinked my accounts from discord now that I am on various "public" discord servers
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
𝕰𝖒𝖗𝖊 Look, I'm going to be brutally honest: Your messages read like a manifesto from someone who's completely lost touch with reality and fallen down a rabbit hole of extremist thinking. Your username alone (JesusGod-Pope666.Info) is a bizarre contradiction that signals unstable thinking before you've written a single word. Then you launch into conspiracy theories about "satanists" and "Devil lovers" controlling tech? Seriously? Your police story is concerning. If police contacted you after ONE email asking someone to dinner, you're either leaving out critical details or engaged in behavior that genuinely alarmed someone. Normal dinner invitations don't trigger police involvement. Your "old days" of tech never existed. The tech world has always had standards and expectations. The difference is that now marginalized people have enough voice to push back against toxic behavior. Your persecution complex is textbook radicalization. When you see moderation as oppression but consider your own intolerance as righteousness, you've lost perspective entirely. Your posts read like someone who needs professional help, not technical discussion. I strongly suggest stepping back from these online echo chambers and reconnecting with reality. Please see this as a genuine critique. I needed to find a balance for my tone but couldn't do it better. Many more can be written but it's pointless.
2025-05-04 07:57:39
3 emails over 2 months.
gb82 <@794205442175402004> you have to ban this guy
2025-05-04 07:58:37
For what?
2025-05-04 08:01:06
Anyone could ask me about my user name and what it means, but false assumptions seems to many times be made.
2025-05-04 08:02:06
2 messages is in it to compress it as much as possible. I could do more but would be harder to understand.
BlueSwordM
Oleksii Matiash ^ Fab №2
2025-05-04 08:06:11
No no, Fab doesn't do this on purpose and Fab is special.
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
𝕰𝖒𝖗𝖊 Look, I'm going to be brutally honest: Your messages read like a manifesto from someone who's completely lost touch with reality and fallen down a rabbit hole of extremist thinking. Your username alone (JesusGod-Pope666.Info) is a bizarre contradiction that signals unstable thinking before you've written a single word. Then you launch into conspiracy theories about "satanists" and "Devil lovers" controlling tech? Seriously? Your police story is concerning. If police contacted you after ONE email asking someone to dinner, you're either leaving out critical details or engaged in behavior that genuinely alarmed someone. Normal dinner invitations don't trigger police involvement. Your "old days" of tech never existed. The tech world has always had standards and expectations. The difference is that now marginalized people have enough voice to push back against toxic behavior. Your persecution complex is textbook radicalization. When you see moderation as oppression but consider your own intolerance as righteousness, you've lost perspective entirely. Your posts read like someone who needs professional help, not technical discussion. I strongly suggest stepping back from these online echo chambers and reconnecting with reality. Please see this as a genuine critique. I needed to find a balance for my tone but couldn't do it better. Many more can be written but it's pointless.
2025-05-04 08:06:24
Overall we can agree to disagree on many points.
jonnyawsom3
drhead And while you're at it, I have another person to ban
2025-05-04 08:06:48
Thinking about it, does linking Steam to our Discord accounts do *anything* other than make it a target for that scam?
A homosapien
2025-05-04 08:07:08
There's a reason I don't link any of my social media on discord
Quackdoc
Thinking about it, does linking Steam to our Discord accounts do *anything* other than make it a target for that scam?
2025-05-04 08:07:50
way easier to add friends
𝕰𝖒𝖗𝖊
JesusGod-Pope666.Info Overall we can agree to disagree on many points.
2025-05-04 08:08:11
It is not just that. Your messages include many logical fallacies, extremely biased thinking, and are judgemental to others.
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
𝕰𝖒𝖗𝖊 It is not just that. Your messages include many logical fallacies, extremely biased thinking, and are judgemental to others.
2025-05-04 08:09:14
You are allowed to have you opinions.
Lumen
2025-05-04 08:09:29
*meanwhile me typing things and removing them with Ctrl+X and never ending to press Ctrl+V because I fear speaking in this situation*
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
2025-05-04 08:10:38
A logical fallacy would think it is okay to put your sausage up another man's Pope hole.
𝕰𝖒𝖗𝖊
2025-05-04 08:10:42
> "A Program needs a Programmer to Program it. We have the Program, the question his who Programmed it, who is the Programmer. The cause for the effect, science. DNA is a very advance code, a program, full of information - that just don't come around by itself." For example, this includes many fallacies: - False Analogy Fallacy: It incorrectly equates DNA/biological systems with human-designed computer code, despite fundamental differences in how they develop and function - Argument from Personal Incredulity - "I can't imagine how this complex thing could exist naturally, therefore it must be designed" - God of the Gaps - Using supernatural explanations to fill gaps in current scientific understanding - Begging the Question - It assumes what it's trying to prove (that complexity requires intelligent design) This reasoning ignores well-established scientific explanations for how complex biological systems develop through natural selection and other evolutionary mechanisms working over billions of years. It's particularly popular in Intelligent Design circles, where scientific-sounding language is used to repackage religious creation beliefs. This is a classic example of the Watchmaker Analogy or Divine Programmer Fallacy.
jonnyawsom3
drhead They just shuffle you off to chat with a sock puppet impersonating a steam admin and they try to phish you
2025-05-04 08:10:53
There's also a scam on Steam itself. Fake playtesting invites that lead to a site with steamcommunity.com as a... Opposite of subdomain, I forget the word, but it's a direct 1:1 copy of the HTML just with the API redirected
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
2025-05-04 08:12:08
Evolution is satanic Pagan garbage far older then Darwin. Anyone believing it is believing in a Fairytales and not science.
BlueSwordM
JesusGod-Pope666.Info You are allowed to have you opinions.
2025-05-04 08:12:13
Yes, but there are opinions with different values. Opinions that harm others will have inherently lower value. Same thing with opinions that aren't based on facts: they are inherently inferior to those not based on facts. The fact is that you brought this upon yourself, while you could have just stayed in your little closet because you're so scared of someone being different.
JesusGod-Pope666.Info Evolution is satanic Pagan garbage far older then Darwin. Anyone believing it is believing in a Fairytales and not science.
2025-05-04 08:12:28
Shut up troll. I revel in your idiocy and trying to rile us up.
jonnyawsom3
2025-05-04 08:12:31
I already gave up trying to prove that I don't set fire to a pope doll every year, now it's just turning into a religion and politics discussion
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
2025-05-04 08:13:31
And anyone who believes in Evolution and wanna talk about science has lost his marbles and discredited himself.
I already gave up trying to prove that I don't set fire to a pope doll every year, now it's just turning into a religion and politics discussion
2025-05-04 08:13:59
Well you make one to the next event.
BlueSwordM
JesusGod-Pope666.Info And anyone who believes in Evolution and wanna talk about science has lost his marbles and discredited himself.
2025-05-04 08:14:05
BTW, do you know how natural selection works? Evolution happens because environments change and those with better attributes for this environment procreate more and end up changing genotypes that express differently.
𝕰𝖒𝖗𝖊
JesusGod-Pope666.Info And anyone who believes in Evolution and wanna talk about science has lost his marbles and discredited himself.
2025-05-04 08:14:24
Evolution is not something to believe. It's a widely accepted, peer-reviewed, 100% scientific fact.
2025-05-04 08:14:32
Not believing a fact does not make a difference.
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
𝕰𝖒𝖗𝖊 Evolution is not something to believe. It's a widely accepted, peer-reviewed, 100% scientific fact.
2025-05-04 08:14:34
Bullshit.
jonnyawsom3
2025-05-04 08:14:38
This is literally a server about using the science of our eyes to remove information we didn't evolve to take in
BlueSwordM
JesusGod-Pope666.Info Bullshit.
2025-05-04 08:14:50
Hey, you made the claim that "Evolution isn't a thing". Better support it with links.
𝕰𝖒𝖗𝖊
2025-05-04 08:14:51
You seem to be against "fairytales" but your "fairytales" are even worse than what we have in fantasy literature
2025-05-04 08:15:03
I would rather read the "Forgotten Realms"
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
BlueSwordM Yes, but there are opinions with different values. Opinions that harm others will have inherently lower value. Same thing with opinions that aren't based on facts: they are inherently inferior to those not based on facts. The fact is that you brought this upon yourself, while you could have just stayed in your little closet because you're so scared of someone being different.
2025-05-04 08:15:40
Sodomy, grooming of children making boys believe they are girls and girls boys are absolutely disgusting and evil. Including the murder of children through abortion.
BlueSwordM Hey, you made the claim that "Evolution isn't a thing". Better support it with links.
2025-05-04 08:15:51
Sure.....
gb82
2025-05-04 08:16:01
<@&807636211489177661> please take care of this, this is getting out of hand
Lumen
2025-05-04 08:16:11
up to now there was a staggering number of **0** argument from jesusgod
2025-05-04 08:16:27
only opinion without any justification
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
BlueSwordM Hey, you made the claim that "Evolution isn't a thing". Better support it with links.
2025-05-04 08:16:35
http://jesusgod-pope666.info/uvpf.php#/?playlistId=12&videoId=6 Here you go 🙂
gb82
2025-05-04 08:16:53
guys don’t argue, just wait for an admin to get involved & ban him
𝕰𝖒𝖗𝖊
JesusGod-Pope666.Info http://jesusgod-pope666.info/uvpf.php#/?playlistId=12&videoId=6 Here you go 🙂
2025-05-04 08:16:59
This is just more opinions, rants 😁
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
gb82 <@&807636211489177661> please take care of this, this is getting out of hand
2025-05-04 08:17:28
I am only one, like we have a whole team on the other side, you should be able to handle me.
BlueSwordM
JesusGod-Pope666.Info http://jesusgod-pope666.info/uvpf.php#/?playlistId=12&videoId=6 Here you go 🙂
2025-05-04 08:17:39
Damn, that's a nice video website. Better support it with text sources so I don't need to watch slop for 300 minutes.
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
BlueSwordM Damn, that's a nice video website. Better support it with text sources so I don't need to watch slop for 300 minutes.
2025-05-04 08:18:23
Always something wrong.
2025-05-04 08:18:49
The world is around 6000 years old.
2025-05-04 08:19:02
Not 13.78 billions.
𝕰𝖒𝖗𝖊
JesusGod-Pope666.Info I am only one, like we have a whole team on the other side, you should be able to handle me.
2025-05-04 08:19:11
This chat is full of extremely intelligent, educated people. They work through science & logic. While a lot of people love philosophy, this is further than that. They won't deal with your middle age stories. Your messages include many impositions and one-way thinking and they are extremist.
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
𝕰𝖒𝖗𝖊 This chat is full of extremely intelligent, educated people. They work through science & logic. While a lot of people love philosophy, this is further than that. They won't deal with your middle age stories. Your messages include many impositions and one-way thinking and they are extremist.
2025-05-04 08:19:39
Satan have a lot of clever and educated people on his team.
BlueSwordM
JesusGod-Pope666.Info Not 13.78 billions.
2025-05-04 08:19:39
I agree, Earth is not 13.78 billion years old, it's about 4.5B years old 🙂
JesusGod-Pope666.Info Satan have a lot of clever and educated people on his team.
2025-05-04 08:19:50
God gave you intelligence, might as well use it.
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
BlueSwordM I agree, Earth is not 13.78 billion years old, it's about 4.5B years old 🙂
2025-05-04 08:19:55
I am talking about the so called beginning.
2025-05-04 08:20:05
Of the big bang.
𝕰𝖒𝖗𝖊
JesusGod-Pope666.Info Satan have a lot of clever and educated people on his team.
2025-05-04 08:20:10
Then let us be with satan
2025-05-04 08:20:15
Not everyone should go to heaven
2025-05-04 08:20:25
Something should make you different
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
2025-05-04 08:20:26
Truth is absolut.
𝕰𝖒𝖗𝖊
2025-05-04 08:20:29
then what's the point
BlueSwordM
JesusGod-Pope666.Info Truth is absolut.
2025-05-04 08:20:39
Yes, the truth is that you're a bigot. You're just so shameful.
𝕰𝖒𝖗𝖊
2025-05-04 08:20:48
We need to be penalized so you can be awarded.
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
2025-05-04 08:21:08
A Bigot.... You know they find soft tissue and carbon 14 in dinosaur bones?
2025-05-04 08:21:20
And that dinasours was named dragons before 1841.
2025-05-04 08:21:37
You that we have footprint with both dragons and man.
BlueSwordM
JesusGod-Pope666.Info A Bigot.... You know they find soft tissue and carbon 14 in dinosaur bones?
2025-05-04 08:21:54
That wasn't soft tissue. It was soft tissue **remains**.
2025-05-04 08:22:16
Petroleum are organic tissue remains, same thing with coal technically.
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
2025-05-04 08:22:18
You know what these data points suggest? Those bones are not million years old and dinosaurs lives and lived with man
BlueSwordM That wasn't soft tissue. It was soft tissue **remains**.
2025-05-04 08:22:58
Elastic soft tissue, anyone with a brain should quickly understand that they can't be millions of years old.
𝕰𝖒𝖗𝖊
2025-05-04 08:23:02
Man you are trying to rely on scientific knowledge while trying to follow a completely unscientific story. If you dispute science, do it fully.
2025-05-04 08:23:16
Don't do cherry picking that is completely random, pointless and without any references.
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
2025-05-04 08:23:26
And carbon dating makes the date of a max of 50.000 years old, I'll give you 100.000 to be nice to you.
BlueSwordM
JesusGod-Pope666.Info Elastic soft tissue, anyone with a brain should quickly understand that they can't be millions of years old.
2025-05-04 08:23:42
I'm reading this article just for you: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-51680-1 You should have just linked this from the start.
𝕰𝖒𝖗𝖊
BlueSwordM I'm reading this article just for you: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-51680-1 You should have just linked this from the start.
2025-05-04 08:24:00
This is too much for him 😁
2025-05-04 08:24:31
Nature, being one of the biggest acknowledged publishers in the history of science must probably be a product of satan.
JesusGod-Pope666.Info
2025-05-04 08:24:40
Much of so called science is run by God hating pagan philosophers who hate anything about the Bible.
BlueSwordM
JesusGod-Pope666.Info And carbon dating makes the date of a max of 50.000 years old, I'll give you 100.000 to be nice to you.
2025-05-04 08:24:46
Here's the PDF for you.
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JesusGod-Pope666.Info Much of so called science is run by God hating pagan philosophers who hate anything about the Bible.
2025-05-04 08:24:49
Let it be