JPEG XL

if only the federated alternatives weren't trash

I fixed the loss of generation loss of avif

I did in the HDblog.it site but probably now it works everywhere and JPEG xl has a competitor

Wonder how it translates to the av2 development

Jon i found a paper called MapTRv2 end to end framework for object detection

I edited it to make it better

And now finally youtube works with no ringing or strange artifacts

YouTube is struggling to encode 720p vp9 1,7 milion

It requires more pay users

You can see blocking everywhere in the frame

🤨

Are you sure that's not AV1? Youtube's AV1 video looks so bad to me, often worse than VP9.

That's because it does

I have not, in daily use, found a video where VP9 looks worse than AV1 on youtube

Yeah, I swear they must be using the worst possible AV1 settings. Are they trying to make the codec look bad on purpose?

I still think changing the default to AV1 for yt-dlp is a bad idea since the AV1 encodes look so terrible.

I had to disable AV1 videos anyway because it was making me drop frames

Is difficult to keep up with demand of better efficiency and better generation loss and less ringing and probably only the premium encode even if 2 mbps full hd resolution are optimized for that purpose

That's what it looked realtime

Was an 720 vp09 750kbps

Show me the "stats for nerds" panel

I don't know but to encode cars image usually site like HDblog or dday personalize more the settings based on cookie and that's a thing that every codec unless jpeg xl and av2 makes us of

And they will encode once all is resetted

?

So can I confirm that I made the right call to force vp9 in my yt-dlp config?

Yes you dodged a bullet

Especially for archival purposes?

Well, I suppose if you don't have the space to store all codec versions of the same video (h264/vp9/av1), then vp9 is a safe bet

It gets replicated to cloud so yea, space is a concern

Av1 highly depend on cookies, video higher than 12 milion tend to look noisy in motion. Because they are meant for many countries

Never yt dlp a so popular video because the effort anywha is the same antiquariato

speaking of what does you config look like? iirc a lot of defaults kinda suck like not embedding chapter markers and such

``` --embed-metadata --parse-metadata 'uploader_id:%(album_artist)s' --sub-langs 'all' --embed-subs --merge-output-format 'mkv/mp4' --remux-video mkv --cookies '~/.yt-dlp/cookies.txt' --netrc --compat-options prefer-vp9-sort ```

Nobody can distinguish 720p av1 vs 1080p av1 even with the newer codec nothing change

Because it isn't meant to

They Swatch efficiency

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DITl3eQIRgL/?igsh=NG0xMXhjZzczazhq

Video like that get huge likes

Facebook and YouTube favours over compressions

this is what I have setup for mine (I didn't put much research into what codecs I should be using): ``` --embed-info-json --convert-thumbnails none --embed-thumbnail --embed-subs --no-write-auto-subs --embed-metadata --embed-chapters ``` I would recommend grabbing most if not all of what I have and adding it to your own

Embed info JSON??

that's why I said most because tbh I forgot about that option

I mean after looking back it doesn't seem like that bad of an option?

Most of the time the lesser quality of AV1 on youtube doesn't really matter, but it becomes very obvious in certain scenarios and especially if zooming in. It does become more obvious in the cases that youtube offers a premium bitrate option

So would ultimate be download best quality H264,VP9,AV1+AAC,Opus+Thumb+Metadata+InfoJSON in a giant MKV?

Wait a few days and don't get files with huge peaks

The white are burned in that videoclips and there is

Also a bad quality overral

Like tune 2 svt av1 psy

No variance boost

I mean I guess maybe? also downloading both the JPEG and WebP versions of full res thumbnails since Youtube encodes thumbnails as both formats although old videos only have JPEG

If you wait they keep encoding better at least for less than 12 milion av1

As most video are newer

This would be best for archival. But if your goal is getting the best quality video you, at this point in time, will always exclusively want to download VP9

Although some videos don’t have VP9 it seems

yeah low view count videos don't get VP9 also channel subscribers might play a role as well? idk

Even if your goal is to loop part of a video into an AVIF, you will still have better quality from the VP9 instead of downloading the AV1 and remuxing that into an AVIF

Video's with low view counts or low resolutions are served as h264, which is fine

So download H264+VP9 then?

Ngl, I find it pretty amusing that VP9 -> AVIF is better than AV1 -> AVIF with youtube

Should I get AAC+Opus or is opus always better

At 128k Opus is always better

Both AAC and OPUS are served at around 128kbit/s, at which point OPUS performs better

Although the differences are likely negligible

According to several blind tests I have seen it depends on the person and selected samples which of the two is ultimately the winner

I think I heard somewhere that Youtube only encodes one of the audio formats from the source and then derives the other format(s) from it although idk if that's true

So they are <1 JND away from each other?

Youtube officially recommends AAC as the audio track for uploads, but that recommendation is years old at this point

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1722171?hl=en

No wait, the updated it

Now they recommend AAC or OPUS or Eclipsa

the latter of which is actually unknown to me

It’s open source Dolby Atmos style positional audio

I am not quite clear how this unit is defined, but there does not seem to be a clear winner in all cases

They also have very similar filesize since same bitrate

Ah, I have heard of that I think

https://opensource.googleblog.com/2025/01/introducing-eclipsa-audio-immersive-audio-for-everyone.html?m=1

I guess for archival an extra 128 Kbps isn’t really an issue

The best way to device is an blind test

I personally could rarely/never tell the difference and just decided on OPUS

I just had an idea that is probably stupid, since AAC and Opus are different compression algorithms, they cause different errors. Would it be possible to write some kind of code that uses the data from both of them to recover a slightly higher quality audio?

But, there is a another audiotrack that may be of interest to you: DRC OPUS. No idea if you would want to save that thouigh

Like if Opus preserves certain types of sound but AAC preserves a different type, you could theoretically stick it together

That’s dynamic range compressed version right?

Yes

Probably don’t want that as 1) it’s not the original audio and 2) I can just apply my own compression later on

Very true

Could this work?

I am not an expert in terms of compression, nor a programmer, buit I imagine this wouldn't recover a lot, even if it worked. Also likely problematic that OPUS is always 48kHz and AAC is 44.1kHz?

No idea though

Definitely not much, but I’m thinking it could bump the effective nitrate to like 140 or something

Bitrates sometimes go up to 150 since both AAC and OPUS use VBR

I fixed Michael Jackson thriller on yt

Avif is good with the bug of generation loss i discovered Yesterday. The thing that bothers with av1 is that there Arendt software to encode

JPEG xl jon had to make all those adjustments manually in the code

But i don't know what cmd to use

133,2 kbps

Yes

Honestly I hadnt seem the adoption of av01 other than 550kvps videos

Avif from what I heard is widely adopted but in most sites like house styling i don't never see it

Dday don't use it for its mobile page

https://gitlab.com/AOMediaCodec/SVT-AV1/-/merge_requests/2431

I just upload FLAC and let YouTube deal with that however it pleases

this way, I ensure that it undergoes only one round of lossy compression

I hope that YouTube with Eclipsa will support Ambisonics for all videos, not just 360° ones

actually, maybe I could already try

I think I figured out a way to lossily encode float data as (bleah) webp and avif

AV1 isn't that bad, when I need it to be a floating point animation instead of a single frame

started on a small prototype of this and turns out it gets more complicated because you're technically dealing with elliptical gaussian distributions

I guess an anisotropic Gaussian kernel is still separable

(i'm using 2d numerical integration/cubature, since that's simpler for now and I can always figure out the proper math later. plus thisd let me sub in other functions than gaussian, e.g. jinc^2)

in a 0,1 texture coordinate system going 4x3 to 3x2 looks kinda like this you can change the coordinate system so either source or target is circular, but the other will always be an ellipse when you're not scaling by a factor both width and height are divisible by

drawn here as uniform ellipses, but it can be any function wrapped eliptically around the pixel centre

the weight at which a source pixel contributes to a target pixel is then the overlapping area between the functions wrapped around both pixels centres

(aka offset and eliptically scale the functions, multiply them together, then integrate the resulting function)

ah, we don’t care about aspect ratio?

lots of resizes are going to result in aspect ratio differences because you have to have an integer amount of pixels at the end. obviously 4/3 to 3/2 is a bit extreme but i didn't want to draw more ellipses 😅

and if you're wrapping the function circularly then you're saying the midpoint between two vertically adjacent pixels is further away from their centres than the midpoint between two horizontally adjacent pixels, which doesn't make sense to me

right, by "eliptically wrapped" i mean, wrap and stretch the function so that on the edge of the drawn ellipse, the distance you plug into the gaussian = 0.5

Fixed the YT quality with a new sponsor bellaoggi.com make up at low prices for women

Didn't read that but I figured that would be the bug

okay got the math portion written

now to actually make this read and write images

<@853026420792360980> you can try updating now the push for scrcpy has been fixed

I used the cookies of Manuel Malanotte - Imperfetto to restore image quality on youtube

No more tune 2 or tune 0 now is only tune 1

It solely worked

Wonderful

I will when I get home

OpenImageIO makes this relatively straightforward ([reading](https://github.com/google/foteli/blob/876c350200aefd91b65d6cbee772e2e9fd15291b/main.cc#L33-L55), [writing](https://github.com/google/foteli/blob/876c350200aefd91b65d6cbee772e2e9fd15291b/main.cc#L85-L117))

https://www.techpowerup.com/335400/trump-exempts-electronics-and-gpus-from-china-tariffs-to-ease-tech-costs

huh, I didn't know somebody ported my improvement

I updated documentation 😛

https://gitlab.com/AOMediaCodec/SVT-AV1/-/merge_requests/2432

this is a cool demo, it'd be awesome if you could drag yourself in a virtual room to simulate moving around that room

it does but then yt-dlp only shows a stereo (binaural) track?

I hope this isn’t just “more hassle just to end up with YouTube’s binaural rendering instead of mine”

it appears to be working

looks like gaussian area resizing isnt seperable 😔

at least not naively

do the results look good?

it looks okay, i'd prefer it a bit sharper though i can probably tweak that by changing the sigma (and its also possible to use different sigmas for source & target)

I can't play with it too much right now because it's. really slow

since it has to perform double numerical integration for every source-target pixel pair

unfortunately the integral is too complicated for wolfram alpha to solve and i haven't found a solution online yet either

could precompute it and shove it in a lut but rn that'd have to be a 4d lut x_x

<@184373105588699137> here's a fun thing I figured out now that scrcpy is working I figured I'd try to go `--renderer=gl` instead of `--renderer=pixman` for `--backend=headless` on weston. but it looks like it just uses `EGL_DEFAULT_DISPLAY` and there's no way to make that not use my nvidia card

which won't work with waydroid

so enter open source being cool

now I can launch weseton with `--egl-device-id=2` which uses the integrated GPU

oh that's neat, I'll have to try that sometime

I'll post less for a week

The server is open to all it doesnt NaN probably

Windows defragging my SSD again 💀

Thank you for the 100 GB written Bill

(It didn't even finish, I just moved the mouse so that it stopped being 'idle')

Are you using Windows XP or what...

Windows 10. It does it once a month on SDDs, because system restore points don't work if it's too fragmented

Windows really is a virus...

Old, but still seems accurate https://www.hanselman.com/blog/the-real-and-complete-story-does-windows-defragment-your-ssd

> Storage Optimizer will defrag an SSD once a month if volume snapshots are enabled, and volsnap is turned on by System Restore as one needs the other. This is by design and necessary due to slow volsnap copy on write performance on fragmented SSD volumes.

Or you should use Windows 11

Buy me a new CPU and sure

But it's the only Windows compatible with the official JXL extension

Which is why I want a new computer so I can run it, but right now this one is falling apart and I'm too broke

The Windows 11 TPM requirement should be optional, I have no idea why MS decided to keep that requirement. They decided to offer consumers a year of paid updates for Win10, which seems to me like an admission that the Win11 upgrades are proceeding slower than they hoped. Which they should have foreseen due to the jump in system requirements from Win10.

My CPU has TPM, the Ryzen 1700 just isn't on the supported CPU list...

Also this still happens in Windows 11 https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/q3vu87/uhm_why_is_windows_11_trying_to_defrag_my_ssds/

Are they actually enforcing that? I installed Win10 on a 4790K, and it didn't have any issues installing.

most likely the same there

That's not a big hurdle, actually...

I've upgraded to Windows 11 on a laptop from 2009.

Noone uses that laptop, of course.

I know it's possible to forcibly install it, but I don't even have a backup drive anymore thanks to 2 HDD failures, so I want to avoid as much jank as possible and just 'have things work'

if everything has tpm we can get rid of passwords

Phones are already on that train

you can use android/iPhone to login to websites through windows

Not if you lose or have to replace your device

A TPM is not a replacement

It's just a convenient anti-tamper device

Probably backdoored too

it sort of is optional. you can disable it in the BIOS/UEFI loader after install and it will still work fine

“clang-analyzer” in 2025: https://github.com/Z3Prover/z3/blob/81f10912ae32f2e341fcf60627bd4de68d7a8b42/genaisrc/codecomplete.genai.mts#L43-L75

I wonder if one day, people will see https://youtu.be/xAMdgVEmWWE?t=3m30s and go “that’s AI”

lmao why don't they just run clang-analyzer

https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/merge_requests/1731

<:pog:1037820257294884945>

got the MR sent

with documentation and all

you ever read something so stupid it makes you want to bash your head off a wall? "exploits" are a prime example of this https://thehackernews.com/2025/04/experts-uncover-four-new-privilege.html

> However, for this attack to work, it hinges on the threat actor acquiring the password through some other means, such as cracking an NTLMv2 hash after authenticating against an SMB server or exploiting flaws such as CVE-2023-21726.

this just in, you can use an admin password to get admin privs, beeg exploit

> It is far more than that: it is essentially a way to impersonate any user with its password from CLI

so you can impersonate a user with their password?

what

that's called "logging in"

god forbid these people learn about linux

tfw `su` is an exploit

the fact that the original blog doesn't have a CVE is a pretty good indication

so I read a bit more and I think the "exploit" is allowing you to bypass the UAC window in a non-headless environment

so if your ordinary user is an admin then you can run stuff as admin by bypassing the UAC window. but you have to know their password

which makes it kind of not a problem

task scheduler is pretty much window's equivalent to services. This is essentially making a "admin service". if you needed UAC every time an admin service ran...

I shudder

tbf poettering has actual bugs that he's notabug'd for stupid reasons

tru [av1_dogelol](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/867794291652558888.webp?size=48&name=av1_dogelol)

so my favorite example is this one: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6237

systemd has a "feature" where un-parseable directives in `.service` files are ignored, but invalid, but parseable, directives cause the service to refuse to start

why? I don't know

but apparently this issue is one where if you tried to have a service file with a directive `User=0foo`, then systemd would determine that the directive is malformed and ignore it, and without a `User=` directive, the service would run as root

my favourite part is this > Yes, as you found out "0day" is not a valid username. I wonder which tool permitted you to create it in the first place. Note that not permitting numeric first characters is done on purpose: to avoid ambiguities between numeric UID and textual user names.

since when has this been the case?

linux has allowed this for literal decades

basically it tries to parse it as a number first, and if it fails, then it parses it as a user ID

that's the bug

it should try to parse it as a string first and fall back on UID otherwise if the given string is not the name of a user

https://x.com/nicksdjohnson/status/1912439023982834120

(thread)

Just visit this link! sites.google.com/u/derpherpgetscammedlol/edit

I play airsoft, it helps my body a lot ahah

trains everything in the body!

there’s a bit about that in the article: > There’s a clear pattern in yoga science of benefits so modest that it’s not even clear that it’s better than _nothing_, let alone other forms of exercise. Indeed, research has now more or less proven that yoga is _not_ better for low back pain (the most popular treatment goal) than any other common kind of exercise or therapy. [3, 4] > > Quite the blow to yoga pride. > > A few people undoubtedly get some objective benefit. Yoga, meditation, and pain itself are all too multifaceted not to occasionally go well together. For example, a diligent meditation practice can improve sleep quality, which in turn can help chronic pain, because sleep deprivation is one of the sneakiest factors in all kinds of chronic pain. > > On average, however, almost all of the allegedly “proven” benefits of yoga and meditation are overstated by people selling classes and books.

I have a few issues with the article in general. but really, it can be summed up by this > Indeed, research has now more or less proven that yoga is not better for low back pain (the most popular treatment goal) than any other common kind of exercise or therapy. Indeed other forms of rehabilitation are often more effective then yoga can be for treating back pain. **however** almost none of them can safely be done by ones self unless they are educated. Yoga is very low impact and risk, making significant injuries rare as they said. This is *not* the case with other forms of exercise and therapy, which can greatly exacerbate issues when done incorrectly. Back injuries are a prime example of where yoga shines. Treating back injuries can be extremely hard and in many cases perilous. One of the main issues that stems from incurring a back injury is often the musculoskeletal misalignment and imbalances. Yoga is a great way of treating that is low risk and pretty much anyone can do, even by themselves, meanwhile tools that are dedicated to actually treating this can incur further injuries when applied improperly, an inversion table is a good example of this, lots of people misuse the tools and can simply fall out of them. not only that but yoga has also proven to be an insanely good as an introductory exercise for severely obese people because in many positions it acts as a proper isometric exercise. High impact exercises, can often just out right cause issues in people who are severely obese. So things like running, long distance walking and jump rope are off the table right away, low impact exercises can often cause large amounts of lactic acid build up which can be fairly unbearable for anyone who is trying to get into regular exercising. Yoga (or really, stretching in general), is proven to lower lactic acid buildup and prevent significant muscle fatigue which is really important for being able to stick with it long term.

ofc, yoga isn't magic, and a lot of it's benefits are oversold, but Yoga is a very useful exercise in it's own right that, just like any tool, when used properly is phenomenal

tldr, yoga when done right is one of the only effective forms of treating injuries that is safe to do, so it can indeed be very useful for alleviating pain, or rather the root cause of pain, depending on what is causing it

iirc, the role of lactic acid tends to be largely overstated

(as do the benefits of stretching https://www.painscience.com/articles/stretching.php)

ah, right: https://www.painscience.com/blog/lactic-acid-does-not-cause-soreness-or-fatigue.html

(which I believe he also cites in https://www.painscience.com/articles/delayed-onset-muscle-soreness.php)

lactic acid is more or less used as the catch all term for the burning that happens during exercise it does not cause the soreness or fatigue, but it does contribute the burning during the exercise itself (tho it itself is not wholly responsible for it) but when talking to folk, it's a good enough term for it that most people get the general idea

at least when i was doing PT work, I found that by far, the cause of most new people quiting exercising was them being unable to get past that initial workout burn. the delayed soreness I found to not actually be *that* significant of a factor in people sticking with a regular training regimen.

I should state that as far as traditional western stretching goes, I never do that, I follow a stretching regimine by contracting muscles and relaxing into it, Pavel tsatsouline wrote an excellent mini book called "relax intro stretch", but the gist of it is that when developing flexibility, the muscles are already 99% as flexible as they need to be, and that mental barriers are the biggest hurdle, and that by contracting and relaxing muscles you can greatly increase flexibility, far more then "traditional western stretching" the idea of just yanking your muscles as far as they can go is rather unique to the "Americanized" form of fitness. Russian body builders and gymnasts have been for decades stretching using this "relaxing" method, which is also evidently way better for your physical health as we can see by the average age span of gymnasts and powerlifters in countries

Lactic acid is also used to produce energy. In the cytosol, during anaerobic glycolysis, glucose is broken down into two molecules of pyruvate, generating a net gain of 2 ATP via substrate-level phosphorylation and 2 NADH from the oxidation of glyceraldehyde-3-phosphate to 1,3-bisphosphoglycerate. Under hypoxic or anaerobic conditions, the mitochondrial oxidative phosphorylation pathway cannot oxidize NADH to NAD+ due to lack of oxygen (the terminal electron acceptor in the ETC). To regenerate NAD+, lactate dehydrogenase (LDH) catalyzes the reduction of pyruvate to lactate. This reaction ensures continued glycolytic flux by maintaining NAD+ availability. The product is lactic acid, which dissociates into lactate and H+ ions in physiological pH. Lactate is not just a dead-end waste product. It serves as an energy substrate via the cell-cell lactate shuttle and intracellular lactate shuttle. Lactate produced in fast-twitch muscle fibers (Type IIb) or red blood cells (which lack mitochondria) can be exported via MCT1/MCT4 (monocarboxylate transporters) into the bloodstream. It is taken up by oxidative tissues (cardiac muscle, liver, slow-twitch fibers) and converted back to pyruvate via LDH (reverse reaction). In cells with sufficient oxygen, pyruvate enters the mitochondria via the MPC (mitochondrial pyruvate carrier). Pyruvate is decarboxylated by pyruvate dehydrogenase complex (PDC) into acetyl-CoA, feeding the TCA cycle. Resulting reducing equivalents (NADH, FADH2) enter the electron transport chain (ETC), generating ATP via oxidative phosphorylation. In the Cori cycle, lactate is transported to the liver, where it is reconverted to pyruvate via LDH, then undergoes gluconeogenesis, a process requiring 6 ATP equivalents per glucose synthesized The glucose is released into circulation to be used again by peripheral tissues (muscle). This cycles lactate for future ATP generation.

Lactic Acid is also unrelated to DOMS (delayed onset muscle soreness) which is extremely complex and still not completely known where it originates from.

Lactate can even be cleared from the blood within 30 minutes

Doms can happen 72 hours later

An educated guess would be: Eccentric contractions produce more mechanical stress and microtrauma in muscle fibers. Therefore, it's one of the reasons you get DOMS.

Microtears in the sarcomeres (especially Z-disks), lead to disruption of sarcolemma integrity and cytoskeletal proteins (titin, desmin).

This triggers an inflammatory cascade

Neuroinflammation and sensitization can be another reason. Because these result in the release of bradykinin prostaglandins, histamine and reactive oxygen species (ROS).

Immune cells can also be related: Neutrophils and macrophages infiltrate damaged areas and then cytokines & free radicals are released.

What we call "Acid" is extremely different. Something's technical terminology and the colloquial usage in common population are always different. We "need" a lot of diffent acids such as Fatty Acids, Amino Acids, ... In daily usage acid is a corrosive, dangerous substance such as sulfuric acid, hydrochloric acid or things like vinegar. But acid is a broad term. These have "extremely" low PH levels. "Acid" is an umbrella term here.

An acid is a proton (H+) donor in Bronsted-Lowry theory or a species that accepts electron pairs in Lewis acid theory. At physiological pH (~7.4), most biologically relevant acids exist as conjugate bases (deprotonated forms) and aren’t even truly acidic in the common sense.

We also have nucleic acids: DNA and RNA are polymers of nucleotides

Some vitamins are also acids: Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Folic Acid

Completely disagree. We rely on lactic acid monitoring even more than before now in the labs. I have seen countless blood drawings from the earlobes (best places to measure lactic acid)

I meant its role in fatigue

Indirectly, it's still related. For example we rely on the Lactate Threshold to measure endurance/aerobic capacity.

It can 100% show you the endurance level

and this is directly related to fatigue

Lactate Threshold 1 (LT1) is the point where lactate first starts to rise above baseline.

and 2 is where lactate rises sharply, a strong predictor of aerobic capacity and performance.

This threshold is more accurate than VO2 max for training prescription in elite athletes.

its causal role in fatigue

Yes that I agree and I have given many more details above.

Lactic acid produces energy, let alone creating fatigue

it's completely unrelated

right, so what you completely disagree with is not what I meant

Probably. I may have cherry-picked a sentence without its actual context.

no worries – just wished to confirm we seemed to be on the same page 🙂

Lactic acid causing burning is a myth. The burning sensation is caused by hydrogen ions (H+) causing acidosis and interfering with muscle contraction. During heavy exercise, muscles rely on anaerobic glycolysis to rapidly produce ATP. Pyruvate gets converted into lactate, via lactate dehydrogenase (LDH) and this conversion regenerates NAD+, letting glycolysis continue. This lactate production is actually protective, not harmful (or it doesn't cause pain).

H+ ions are more acidic in the "traditional sense", they decrease pH and disrupt calcium binding, myosin-actin interaction and enzyme activity, like phosphofructokinase.

Lactate doesn’t donate protons, it helps buffer them. In fact, lactate helps shuttle excess H+ out of the muscle with monocarboxylate transporters. So lactate decreases the burning sensation. It doesn't cause that.

its a very common assumption tho so using it gets the point across the best

You know what's really funny, is the American Heart Association being created and funded by Crisco to convince Americans that their cheap disgusting garbage is healthy for them

And to replace butter and other real foods with "healthier" industrial waste like cottonseed oil

Now everyone actually believe salt is bad for them and cholesterol is dangerous 😂

That's akin to being afraid of water and vitamin D

People think the government and other official-sounding authorities exist to help them but they actually only exist to protect the corporations that created those institutions

yeah america has a lot of weird associations. well everywhere does, but america has a lot a lot

I also find it funny that texas, one of the most obese states (well at least it was a while ago anyways) is/was also home to 3 of the most highly reputable fitness/health/sports science institutions globally

Yoga is a type of exercise that helps keep your body healthy and fit. It’s not really meant to cure diseases or anything like that

while true, its important to remember that being health and fit is the number one way to alleviate, and sometimes even cure some diseases. being physically fit is really underrated tbh

they are bad in excess

like most things

So is water and vitamin D

your blood cholesterol levels are directly correlated with major cardiac events by a strong degree of evidence

like this is not a health nut thing. this is standard cardiology

there's a very clear link between non-HDL cholesterol and cardiac events

the reason people think salt is bad for them is many people have high blood sodium and are told by their doctors to reduce their sodium intake. this is true if you have high blood sodium. if you don't, then salt isn't bad for you, but it is bad for many people who are actively getting too much of it and told by their doctor to watch it

Dietary cholesterol is a different subject

there's just a common misconception that cholesterol in foods translates to cholesterol in your bloodstream

Every human and animal cell is made of cholesterol

yes but saying stuff like that doesn't do anyone any favors

Being afraid of it is as silly as being afraid of salt or water

when people say "cholesterol is bad" they're referring to your bloodstream levels of non-HDL cholesterol

they're not nitpicking definitions

which is what you are doing

Replacing butter with a substitute based mostly on palm oil is not healthier, just cheaper to produce

But that has nothing to do with counting the grams of dietary cholesterol in food

cholesterol in your bloodstream mostly comes from dietary saturated fat

caring about dietary cholesterol and not saturated fat is just a common misconception that any dietition or doctor will be able to tell you is not how it works

Olive oil is healthier though. When I cook, I use only real butter and cold pressed olive oil.

unsaturated yup

also, the reason people frequently believe salt is bad for them is cause many people are specifically told by their doctors to watch their salt intake it's easy to go overboard with salt since it's added in excess to so many things

sure, salt isn't bad if you don't have high blood sodium

but a lot of people have high blood sodium

in the United States, about 50% of adults have high blood pressure

Your body creates its own cholesterol, gets some from diet, and creates hormones and other essential compounds out of cholesterol. It comes in many forms. Arterial plaque is a very specific compound formed by specific conditions. Replacing animal fat with vegetable fat will not lower your arterial plaque.

That is a myth invented by AHA and Crisco corporation

depends on if the fats are saturated or unsaturated

In order to sell Crisco

palm oil is a vegetable fat but it's saturated and cardiologists will tell you that it's one of the worst fats you can have

palm and coconut

Saturated fat does not contain cholesterol

it's what causes your blood cholesterol to rise

Only animals and fungi do

saying "saturated fat doesn't contain cholesterol" is dangerously misleading because it is the single most important dietary factor that increases your non-HDL cholesterol in your bloodstream

this is one of those scenarios where it sounds like you're talking about something you're really not an expert on

ngl

If that's true then that means your body is synthesizing it or it's forming because of some complex process inside the body... I think it's misleading that people try to associate animal products with arterial plaque.

Arterial plaque can be caused by oxidative stress and by calcium supplements and smoking and many other things

that's because the key isn't whether it comes from plants or animals but what kind of fat it is in the first place

many plant fats (e.g. palm oil, coconut oil) are very much not good but many are good (e.g. olive oil) same with animal fats (e.g. beef vs fish)

Eating a healthy and balanced diet based mainly on animal products is a good thing

I didn't say it wasn't, I'm just pointing out that you shouldn't really be zooming in on plant-vs-animal

I'd also like to call this out. this is not true.

In marketing and AHA materials, that's what the focus tends to be on. Replacing high quality nutrients with cheaper to manufacture and barely-fit-for-human-use products

I don't know where you got this Crisco conpsiracy from

but there's no evidence to suggest it is the case

considering their basic recommendations are to reduce saturated fats

It was an incubator fund project to sell Crisco as "healthy." It was a while back but I'll try to find it

AHA is just a corporate lobby to sell Americans cheap garbage as health food

it was founded by six cardiologists

idk where you're getting that

this is conspiracy theory territory

go to their website, click the literal first link in their "healthy living section" and it's "eat more fruits and vegetables"

We live in a world where people have more incentive to screw you over than to make sure you get good advice and good nutrition.

that doesn't change the fact that the recommendations on their website are not for cheap to manufacture crap

what you're saying is just false

AFAIK, people are told to reduce sodium intake because they have high blood _pressure_

yea, that's what I meant to type

it's high blood pressure, not high blood sodium

it’s true of many people, though

high blood sodium is an acute issue, not a chronic one, often linked with dehydration

> As of 2019, one in three or 33% of the world population were estimated to have hypertension.[9][10] Of all people with hypertension, about 46% do not have a diagnosis of hypertension and are unaware that they have the condition.[13][9]

By fruits and vegetables they mean products made from cheap crops that are not considered food and don't have the same expense and safety regulations as food. Like cotton and rape plants.

it says "fruits and vegetables" and shows a picture of what most people would consider fruits and vegetables

That's how "vegetable oil" is marketed to the public too...

You click "recipes" on their website and the first result is broiled asaparagus spears with lemon

that sounds surprising – I typed ~70wpm when I typed (non-touch) in AZERTY, and then ~120-130wpm when I switched to touch typing in bépo (a Dvorak-inspired layout for French)

am I that much of an outlier?

Ok you got me there 😂

You win that one

non-touch vs typing

Now hold on I gotta look up the history of Crisco and the AHA

yea, I can't find anything to suggest they're related

I think I was reading about the history of cottonseed oil

sorry, I’m not sure what you mean here

you said you were doing 70 wpm when you typed (non-touch) and 130 wmp when you switched to touch typing

I don't think this has anything to do with the keyboard layout

and more to do with the fact that you started touch typing

right, it was just for the sake of exhaustivity

in the message I was responding to, you said “most Americans today, even those who touch-type, don't type that quickly on regular keyboards”, where “that quickly” was 60-80wpm

oh yea, people be slow

I type at over 100 wpm

but most people do not

I find that professional programmers tend to type much more quickly than pretty much anybody else because there's a lot of nitty-gritty symbol stuff that you get really good at

lilke you get really good at typing stuff like `foo["bar"]`

which increases your accuracy

Wait, is that why Americans are so afraid of salt? I always found this obsession with salt ridiculous. Like, sure, lots of salt puts strain on the kidneys, but for a healthy person that is no problem at all unless dehydrated. It's not worth thinking about at all unless you have kidney damage or something. And while too much salt is no real problem, too little definitely is.

yeah, that’s probably what took me the longest to really be proficient at when I switched layouts

too much salt is a real problem if you have hypertension which a *LOT* of people have

that's where most of the recommendations come from

Americans don't know you can just drink water if your sodium is high

if you have high blood pressure just drinking more water doesn't fix that

It helps but controlling glucose helps more

The problem is diabetes not salt

hypertension and diabetes are somewhat unrelated issues

you can easily have one without the other

about 50% of american adults have hypertension but this is not the case for diabetes

More than 9 times out of ten, the problem is diabetes...

that's objectively not true

Especially here in the USA...

> High sodium consumption (5 g or more of salt per day) and insufficient potassium intake (less than 3.5 grams (0.12 oz) per day) have been linked to high blood pressure and increased risk of heart disease, stroke, and kidney disease.[6][7] > […] > As of 2009 the average sodium consumption in 33 countries was in the range of 2,700 to 4,900 mg/day. (which means 6.8-12.3g of salt)

Almost everyone has diabetes here

that's objectively false

Might as well rename the country to United State of Diabetes

about 11.6% of the population has diabetes

you know who consumes way too much salt? my dishwasher

lmao

not 100% sure what’s up with it but it’s been requiring more dishwasher salt way more often than it should, lately

wait, you put salt in your dishwasher?

You would think it's a lot higher just looking around at all the fat red faced Americans here

it’s a common thing in European dishwashers

I think Technology Connections might have mentioned this in one of his dishwasher videos

Water softening?

yes

this sounds like something based on imagery and not something based on scientific literature

well, many drink water excessively anyway

I'm looking at the numbers right now as reported by the CDC and hypertension is 48% of adults and diabetes is 14.7% so it's clearly not always the case that diabetes causes hypertension

How does that make sense, though?

because "just drink more water" doesn't fix high blood pressure

Some do, but I know people who forget to drink and they eat lots of thirsty foods like bread and sweets

But how can more salt cause it then?

This is America after all

you should read the scientific literature, there's a very clear link between sodium intake and hypertension

https://youtu.be/Ll6-eGDpimU?t=6m16s

If you have too much salt you can just drink water, but some foods will make you thirsty no matter how much you drink. Foods that spike your blood glucose mostly

let me check when “we’ll get to that” happens

ah, 34:58 https://youtu.be/Ll6-eGDpimU?t=34m58s

And eat less carbs and sweeteners

Even stuff that says "zero net carbs" has carbs in it 😂

No such thing as "net carbs"

here's a quick paper I found on google, for example: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6770596/

the "salt is bad" idea comes mostly from the fact that hypertension is exceptionally common and excess salt intake makes it worse

if you don't have hypertension, then sure. but there's a reason like half of americans are told by their doctors to watch their salt intake

from what I recall, I have seen tentative evidence that the ratio of potassium to sodium might matter more than the absolute amounts of either

so increasing potassium intake is also worth doing

it's specifically high sodium without corresponding potassium

good sources include pistachio and potatoes

but people as a general rule don't get enough potassium and it's much harder to control that

https://www.peacehealth.org/medical-topics/id/abo9047

Ok I found the AHA thing

(although some people have conditions that mean they must watch their potassium intake)

significantly less common though

yeah, it’s probably more on the side of “if you have that, you probably know it” than hypertension is

> The 1961 AHA advice to limit saturated fat is arguably the single-most influential nutrition policy ever published, as it came to be adopted first by the U.S. government, as official policy for all Americans, in 1980, and then by governments around the world as well as the World Health Organization. It is worth noting that the AHA had a significant conflict of interest, since in 1948, it had received $1.7 million, or about $20 million in today's dollars, from Procter & Gamble (P&G), the makers of Crisco oil.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9794145/

the issue with salt is that a lot of fast food in NA has so much salt it's absolutely absurd

may as well just eat spoonfuls of it

McDonald’s here lets you order fries with no salt if you want, but Burger King doesn’t (3.1g of salt per portion 😵‍💫 )

The reason why everything is so fucked and our health advice is so fucked is because our health advice comes from corporations like P&G trying to make a quick buck by disposing their industrial waste directly into your food supply.

nah

There's nothing theoretical about this conspiracy. Shit is fucked yo.

People are unhealthy because they eat to much, exercise too little. Rest is secondary.

another thing that is kinda fucked up is that food only has to report the "raw" values of nutrients and minerals in many countries, and don't need to report the amount that is generated during the creation of food product

People like making a buck selling cheap garbage to whoever they consider fools. That's life. Full of scammers and swindlers. That's the world.

oat and soy milks are traditionally actually horrendous for you, and you have to try really hard to find soy milk products that arent trash

It does no one any good to be implicitly trusting of authority.

they all taste like crap

why would they be "horrendous" for your health...

because most of them have a shit ton of processed canola oil

Oats are very unhealthy, they contain an anti-nutrient that weakens your bones and teeth, phytate.

like, a shit ton shit ton of oil

And full of cheap empty starchy simple carbs that turn into simple sugars

not a bad oil at least

it is when you refine it down to make it usable in "milk replacements"

For some reason oats have a reputation as a health food but it's nothing more than cheap gruel and fattening fodder to bulk up livestock and swine

it does have a lot of canola oil in it

but it depends on how you define "a lot"

oat milk needs oil added becuase without it, you can't achieve the milk-like consistency

yeah, it also helps it not taste like sludge

for example, a popular oat milk brand is Oatley, and they have the ingredients on their website: > Oat base (water, oats). Contains 2% or less of: low erucic acid rapeseed oil, dipotassium phosphate, calcium carbonate, tricalcium phosphate, sea salt, dicalcium phosphate, riboflavin, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D2, vitamin B12.

they also contain a lot of sugars that dont need to be reported because they are made during production

the calcium salts are there to add, well, calcium

they do actually report those

Soymilk can also be heavy in phytate and is usually made from a mature and unprocessed plant that is not traditionally eaten or digestible to humans

Soybeans usually need to be young and/or fermented to be edible

I think that's because oat is usually compared to wheat, which has a lot less minerals and stuff.

they need to put them in the ingredients section, but not the percentages section last I checked, this may have changed since thi

phosphate is not ideal to have (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3278747/)

the nutrition facts refers to final products

Phosphoric acid is often added to soda so that it upsets your stomach more and throws off your electrolyte balance 😂

for example, when they remove sugar, they don't declare sugar they remove

(not that this happens much, but it's an example)

it's why skim milk reports 0% milkfat even though it started before as whole milk

cause it actually has no milkfat

I have a feeling some of these companies try to make their products bad on purpose in order to justify "well if you keep buying it you deserve it"

huh?

yea if you say stuff like this nobody takes you seriously

it's added because it gives a tart flavor

I'm just guessing but I have a feeling the people who design these awful food products are very social-Darwinist

phosphoric acid is also suspected to increase the risk of kidney stones https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M13-2908 > Although some low-quality evidence shows that a decrease in the consumption of soft drinks is associated with a reduced risk for stone recurrence, this benefit was limited to patients who drank soft drinks acidified by phosphoric acid, such as colas, but not for drinks acidified by citric acid, such as fruit-flavored sodas.

and even going further in many places "natural byproducts" don't need to get put on the label at all which is kinda scummy

the added sugars are declared for example. same oatly website lists them. 7g sugar (inclues 7g added sugar) in one 240 ml (1 cup) serving

They would use malic acid and/or citric or ascorbic acid if they wanted tartness

that's what they use it for

phosphoric acid does that as well. it's just a lot worse for you

Makes no sense to use phosphoric. It's not a good flavor like citric or malic

they don't do it to make your stomach upset

that wouldn't make any sense

I know lol but sometimes I wonder 🤔

Maybe it's how they justify it to themselves

food additives all have reasons to be in the food and none of them are ever "the company making it hates us and wants us to suffer"

that's not how you generate profits

they can declare them, but they don't need to declare the stuff like maltose as we can see on their label

maltose is included in sugars

Some people think that if they give you a warning and trick you to do it to yourself, they escape the karmic penalty for being evil

I don't understand why you say these sorts of ridiculous things

Because I am a ridiculous person ;)

the goal of a company is profit. it's always profit and only profit

their goal is never to "be evil" (whatever that means)

doing things that actively harm consumers for no gain is not an effective way to generate profit

and thus it makes no sense to theoreize about it

No, some people are Social Darwinists and they want people to die

the math doesn't add up, maltose isn't an added sugar, but added sugars make up the majority of sugars, however even by oatly's own admission maltose makes up the primary sugar content of oatly milk

They may do anti consumer things but only if the genuinely believe that it will help profit

Like rising subscription prices, they hope and assume enough people will stay subscribed