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spider-mario
2021-04-20 10:15:10
I’m having flashbacks of it now
2021-04-20 10:15:27
in the dream, I was served an AVIF video by YouTube and the quality was awful
2021-04-20 10:15:42
I was thinking “what the hell, how can an AVIF video be _blocky_, of all things”
_wb_
2021-04-20 10:15:49
lol
2021-04-20 10:19:17
yes, when I think about AVIF artifacts, I think oversmoothing, smearing, and high-appeal chroma bleed, but certainly not block artifacts
2021-04-20 10:19:49
I'm sure there must be a way, but with current tools, I don't know how to make an AVIF that looks blocky
spider-mario
2021-04-20 10:35:29
it should have been my clue that it was just a dream
Jim
2021-04-20 11:53:19
Its pretty easy to do. Take a look at #8megabytes in AVIF discord. Many people posting ~15min to entire movies in an AVIF that is 8 mb or less and many of those are extremely blocky.
spider-mario
2021-04-20 12:33:41
do they include audio?
Scope
2021-04-20 12:43:21
Sometimes yes, but this is a very extreme example <https://www.reddit.com/r/AV1/comments/msb74a/shrek_but_its_8mb_again/>
Jim
2021-04-20 01:40:56
This one as well. It is clear it's trying to smooth out what it can but is still fairly blocky. https://discord.com/channels/587033243702788123/677266163994198020/820688883377373205
Scope
2021-04-20 01:45:10
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/677266163994198020/820688882839322654/genk2_8m_2.webm
Nova Aurora
2021-04-20 05:43:40
Doom written in Doom when?
Scientia
Scope Sometimes yes, but this is a very extreme example <https://www.reddit.com/r/AV1/comments/msb74a/shrek_but_its_8mb_again/>
2021-04-20 09:27:09
Can't wait to see this with lpcnet
2021-04-20 09:28:58
The music will sound god awful but the voices will be clear and that's what matters for the most part
2021-04-20 09:30:09
Also frees up ~3kbps for video
fab
2021-04-21 02:11:15
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/chameleon-dynamic-theme-forked/
2021-04-21 02:11:20
it works even on firefox 90
Nova Aurora
2021-04-21 02:12:43
Cool
fab
2021-04-21 02:16:06
no this was for proton
2021-04-21 02:16:21
to make proton change color like Vivaldi
2021-04-21 02:16:30
but i have latest nightly
2021-04-21 02:16:33
and works
2021-04-21 02:16:59
2021-04-21 02:17:05
but still windows 7
Nova Aurora
2021-04-21 02:18:11
What have they done to the tab interface?
fab
2021-04-21 02:19:21
2021-04-21 02:19:21
2021-04-21 02:19:30
the first is default for windows 7
2021-04-21 02:19:45
no is firefox 90a this
2021-04-21 02:20:01
no change log sti
2021-04-21 02:20:40
2021-04-21 02:20:41
what font it that
2021-04-21 02:20:46
very good
2021-04-21 02:23:43
i like that font mor than hakuna sans or carrier sans or guaruja grotesk whitney
2021-04-21 02:23:48
2021-04-21 02:24:21
that's the dark theme for windows 7
2021-04-21 02:26:53
honestly the star and the download button arrows look good
2021-04-21 02:27:37
rounded interface
2021-04-21 02:27:39
good
Nova Aurora
fab honestly the star and the download button arrows look good
2021-04-21 02:27:41
Those are the icons that didn't change
fab
2021-04-21 02:27:54
but the colours seems random in windows 7
2021-04-21 02:28:18
2021-04-21 02:28:23
also what is that
2021-04-21 02:28:32
why those oblique letters?
2021-04-21 02:28:57
what is the reason
2021-04-21 02:29:12
even with arial setted as font it does that
2021-04-21 02:29:26
maybe because i'm not using windows 10
diskorduser
2021-04-21 07:03:45
True legends use comic sans for browser UI. :P
Pieter
2021-04-21 07:04:14
Wingdings FTW
Nova Aurora
2021-04-21 07:44:29
Papyrus, you can read it, but only just and it gives you a headache
Scope
2021-04-24 04:12:44
https://youtu.be/d1OET63Ulwc
2021-04-24 04:15:55
<https://github.com/orpatashnik/StyleCLIP>
Deleted User
2021-04-25 05:21:47
What do you think about this? (**WARNING:** repo is made public only temporarily, I'll make it private again soon because things aren't ready, I just want you to get the general idea) https://github.com/ziemek99/invisibility-php
2021-04-25 05:24:02
It's just some basic PHP, it was designed to work on my friend's Synology NAS and any free hosting with PHP support and no access to config files (neither `php.ini` nor `.htaccess`).
_wb_
2021-04-25 05:30:43
How do you enter the token? As a `?password=blabla`?
Deleted User
2021-04-25 05:32:54
Then it wouldn't make sense to use additional passwords since the link can be easily shared, just with password. You must enter 6-digit TOTP code, you can't share its seed *that* easily once set up 😉
2021-04-25 05:34:24
Not all the files are in the repo, the code was meant for a personal project that was abandoned in secondary school. I'm only committing good and "final" files that have no relationship to that project.
2021-04-25 05:37:44
I need to do *a bit* of work, like moving hard-coded credentials and other variables to the config files, making code safer, cleaner and using public domain dependencies (the one that I was using was CC-BY-NC-SA, goooooshhhh...) because this project is Unlicensed so lots of good MIT-licensed code goes out of the window.
2021-04-25 05:40:38
I'll share here the PHP part of `index.php` (it also has HTML login page that's gonna get scrapped), you should see easier where this project goes 🙂
2021-04-25 05:45:01
```php <?php session_start(); require 'config.php'; require 'totp.php'; // Register correct TOTP entering time and reload the script. if (TOTP::getOTP($otp_secret)['otp'] == $_GET['otp']) { $_SESSION['totp-main'] = time(); // $_SESSION['trials-left'] = 2; header('Location: .'); die; } // Check whether user's IP address is trusted. try { $pdo = new PDO($db_host, $db_user, $db_pass); $pdo -> setAttribute(PDO::ATTR_ERRMODE, PDO::ERRMODE_EXCEPTION); $stmt = $pdo -> prepare("SELECT `ip` FROM `trusted_ips` WHERE `ip` = :ip"); $stmt -> bindValue(':ip', $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'], PDO::PARAM_STR); $stmt -> execute(); if ($user = $stmt -> fetch()) { $_SESSION['totp-main'] = -1; } } catch(PDOException $e) { echo 'Fuck. ' . $e -> getMessage(); } require 'invisibility.php'; ?> ```
2021-04-25 05:48:17
Oh, it's some old version that was on my previous laptop. There's a newer one on friend's Synology. I'll have to check it out. Still, **it's just an idea**.
_wb_
2021-04-25 06:33:26
Why not, it could be useful.
Jim
2021-04-25 06:57:58
A bit of obfuscation to just put .php on different files. If someone knows the file names they could access them directly by typing them in the browser (bypassing your security script) unless they are outside the public folder (included via php) or the PHP config is set to automatically prepend your security file to every php file that is processed by the server.
Deleted User
2021-04-25 07:02:30
> If someone knows the file names they could access them directly by typing them in the browser (bypassing your security script) Actually no. They will also return 404, just like the main page, if you don't put good OTP in `index.php?otp=XXXXXX`.
2021-04-25 07:05:30
That's exactly why adding .php to every file, not only HTML, but also CSS and JS, makes sense. There's not a single trace of the website if you don't authenticate yourself on `index.php`.
2021-04-25 07:10:28
Only binary files, like images, will remain available without authentication. Embedding them directly in HTML via `data:` URLs (just like Jon does on <#824000991891554375>) may be a workaround, kinda clumsy, but it should work. I still don't know about protecting other kinds of binary files (.zip, .exe etc.)
Jim
2021-04-25 07:11:07
But that is with some sort of modification made - such as htaccess pushing everything through index.php or having the file auto-prepended. If I just stuck that on a server, any file I type in is accessible directly.
Deleted User
2021-04-25 07:15:56
Do you have `index.php`? And even if you do, it's still unusable since I don't have any Unlicensed TOTP library. I can make dirty branch just for you and make kinda-usable version *(hopefully)* in there.
Jim
2021-04-25 07:17:17
Yes, but no htaccess or appending anything automatically. In this case, any file I type in outside of index.php is available. The htaccess or appending would be required for this to work.
Deleted User
2021-04-25 07:19:10
I know, it's in the README. https://github.com/ziemek99/invisibility-php/#automation
2021-04-25 07:21:28
Wait a sec, dirty isn't synced with master, have to fiddle a bit with Git and I'm a newbie...
Jim
2021-04-25 07:21:30
The header "Automation" seems optional to me. I would suggest something along the line of "SECURITY WARNING" or "REQUIRED INSTALLATION STEP" to make it clear that the files will not be protected unless that section is followed.
2021-04-25 07:22:37
Also "fiddling with htaccess" doesn't really help them.
2021-04-25 07:22:54
I would include your working htaccess they could use.
Deleted User
2021-04-25 07:23:46
Everything's in the README. Remember about this: https://discord.com/channels/794206087879852103/806898911091753051/835929158944292895 and, most importantly, this: > **WARNING:** repo is made public only temporarily, I'll make it private again soon because things aren't ready, I just want you to get the general idea
Jim
2021-04-25 07:25:58
Ok, well if you do make it public I was just suggesting some tips to make sure people follow appropriate setup.
Deleted User
2021-04-25 07:30:32
I perfectly know about that. Like if the very first Discord message and README entry wasn't clear enough 😉
2021-04-25 07:31:40
Ok, dirty is synced, the only difference is added totp.php. Check it out, I'll be pleasantly surprised if it works...
2021-04-25 07:33:42
Quick-pushed a hotfix to index.php
Jim
2021-04-25 07:36:40
2021-04-25 07:36:57
Also noticed you are missing a semicolon in `index.php` line 5.
Deleted User
Jim Also noticed you are missing a semicolon in `index.php` line 5.
2021-04-25 07:37:53
Git-push'd
Jim
2021-04-25 07:39:39
And just like I expected it seems it's gonna be a mess to fix... Or maybe that semicolon was enough? Idk lmao
2021-04-25 07:43:42
Ok, going AFK, I won't respond for a while (at least from a PC)
Jim
2021-04-25 07:43:59
Those are just warnings since there is no session.
Deleted User
2021-04-25 07:44:16
I'll look into that when I return to PC.
2021-04-25 07:57:09
Got a bit more time, looking into that stuff
Jim
2021-04-25 08:04:51
The major issue appears to be missing some stuff in totp
Deleted User
2021-04-25 08:07:12
Can you show me `my-top-secret-text-file.txt.php`?
Jim
2021-04-25 08:09:57
Right now it's showing the contents since I validated and got the session set but I made a number of corrections to the code.
Deleted User
2021-04-25 08:10:45
Did you put `session_start();` before `require 'invisibility.php';`?
Jim
2021-04-25 08:11:47
I changed the requires to `require_once` and added `if(!isset($_SESSION)) { session_start(); }` to `invisibility.php`
Deleted User
2021-04-25 08:16:08
Thanks 🙂
2021-04-25 08:16:41
See my latest change to index.php and check if session destroyer works
2021-04-25 08:24:07
AFK
2021-04-26 12:33:58
Big thanks, all fixes are merged now after minor adjustments 😃
2021-04-26 02:17:30
BTW the branch 'dirty' is removed now, everything's in 'master'. I had to remove CC-BY-NC-SA licensed `totp.php`, but you can get it here yourself:
Master Of Zen
2021-04-26 08:43:02
<@794205442175402004> My boost ended, no more extra emojis and spinning JXL logo <:PepeHands:808829977608323112>
_wb_
2021-04-26 08:43:45
maybe I should ask Cloudinary's marketing department to buy us some boosts
Scope
2021-04-26 08:45:51
More cost-effective to pay for Nitro, it contains 2 boosts
Master Of Zen
2021-04-26 09:02:53
That would be amazing 😃
2021-04-26 09:04:51
"What's your reasoning, Jon?" "E-M-O-J-I-S and spinning 128px logo"
_wb_
2021-04-26 11:09:10
Congratulations, Dr. Versari! <@179701849576833024>
Nova Aurora
2021-04-26 01:45:37
Did someone get their doctorate?
veluca
2021-04-26 02:08:53
yup
Jim
2021-04-26 02:09:03
Congrats!
veluca
2021-04-26 02:09:06
thanks!
Nova Aurora
2021-04-26 02:23:10
Could I ask what your thesis was on?
veluca
2021-04-26 02:24:52
you could 😛
2021-04-26 02:24:58
#mathematiciananswer
Nova Aurora
2021-04-26 02:25:54
'we have determined it is solveable'
2021-04-26 02:26:14
What is it about
veluca
2021-04-26 02:28:58
compressing graphs (as in, networks, not plots xD)
_wb_
Master Of Zen That would be amazing 😃
2021-04-26 05:19:45
Done 😁
raysar
veluca you could 😛
2021-04-27 06:57:51
You're the best <:Hypers:808826266060193874> <:PepeOK:805388754545934396> 🥳 👨‍🏫 🥂
veluca
raysar You're the best <:Hypers:808826266060193874> <:PepeOK:805388754545934396> 🥳 👨‍🏫 🥂
2021-04-27 05:13:50
(was that for the #mathematiciananswer, or for the PhD? :P)
BlueSwordM
veluca (was that for the #mathematiciananswer, or for the PhD? :P)
2021-04-27 05:14:25
Both 😛
veluca
2021-04-27 05:15:04
wasted occasion to reply "yes" 😛
_wb_
2021-04-27 06:25:54
I used to do lots of Prolog coding for my phd
2021-04-27 06:26:51
In Prolog, when you have a bug, you usually see the following:
2021-04-27 06:26:57
`No.`
raysar
veluca (was that for the #mathematiciananswer, or for the PhD? :P)
2021-04-27 11:15:29
I don't understand your private joke with #mathematiciananswer ^^
veluca
2021-04-27 11:18:25
on my side I don't understand your comment 😛
Pieter
raysar I don't understand your private joke with #mathematiciananswer ^^
2021-04-28 02:34:13
<@224363555074342912> Asked to ask about the thesis topic. <@179701849576833024> responded "you could", indicating that it is indeed possible to ask about that.
Nova Aurora
2021-04-28 02:36:10
Rather than answering the implied question, he answered the question literally
Pieter
Nova Aurora Rather than answering the implied question, he answered the question literally
2021-04-28 03:12:12
Techically correct. Technically speaking, the only kind of correct.
Nova Aurora
Pieter Techically correct. Technically speaking, the only kind of correct.
2021-04-28 03:27:56
https://tenor.com/view/correct-futurama-the-best-kind-of-correct-yes-yep-gif-5787390
Pieter
2021-04-28 03:33:19
I guess technically speaking, it being the only kind of correct indeed implies it is the best kind of correct.
_wb_
2021-04-28 05:24:18
Technically correct is correct, technically, and in theory that makes it correct, theoretically. But as we all know, in theory, theory and practice are the same thing, but in practice, well, they are quite frequently not.
Deleted User
2021-04-28 09:11:32
THE KEKW (<:kekw:808717074305122316>) GUY DIED ;_;
2021-04-28 09:12:28
http://reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/n0mfzs/spanish_comedian_el_risitas_face_of_the_kekw/
_wb_
2021-04-28 09:20:21
<:kekw:808717074305122316> 😢
190n
2021-04-28 09:28:51
oh no 😢
Jake
2021-04-29 12:53:53
Decoding medium format JPEG images on a Pentium 4. 😑
2021-04-29 12:54:37
I mean, 10 seconds isn't bad for loading a 200 megapixel image.
fab
2021-04-29 01:18:16
it uses 550 mb ram of ram even zooming
diskorduser
2021-04-29 03:47:23
Why does the jpeg hw decoder exists? it is very easy on cpu right? 🤔
Pieter
2021-04-29 03:51:15
If you can use specialized hardware for something, you should. Usually faster, lower latency, less power, ...
BlueSwordM
diskorduser Why does the jpeg hw decoder exists? it is very easy on cpu right? 🤔
2021-04-29 03:58:08
It's probably better for single image serial loading.
veluca
2021-04-29 04:01:14
it usually is not used because there is a lot of latency in changing image size IIRC
fab
2021-04-29 04:11:00
facebook seems is increasing bitrate
2021-04-29 04:11:04
or using AI
2021-04-29 04:11:15
I see a lot of 180 kb images
2021-04-29 04:11:59
2021-04-29 04:12:09
beer messina
2021-04-29 04:12:16
this is low bitrate
2021-04-29 04:12:40
but the bitrate is higher on most of the photos i have seen
2021-04-29 04:12:53
i'm from italy as you saw
2021-04-29 04:13:39
might be mean that they want to re encode in jxl
2021-04-29 04:13:53
or they keep original
2021-04-29 04:13:55
i don't know
2021-04-29 04:14:08
bluesword knows everything so he must know
2021-04-29 04:14:47
jxl distorts the image less than webp
2021-04-29 04:14:57
for image like this is better
2021-04-29 04:15:27
the noise integration
2021-04-29 04:15:31
tools
Pieter
2021-04-29 04:17:26
what are you talking about?
fab
2021-04-29 04:17:38
they want to re encode in jxl
Pieter
2021-04-29 04:18:08
who?
fab
2021-04-29 04:18:11
hope they don't change idea and use wp2
Pieter who?
2021-04-29 04:18:15
fb, don't know if stores original image
2021-04-29 04:18:46
bluesword maybe know
Pieter
2021-04-29 04:18:46
what makes you worried that they'd use wp2?
fab
2021-04-29 04:20:03
wp2 is crazy good at avoiding pinwheels effect
2021-04-29 04:20:09
2021-04-29 04:20:18
and encoding this type of image
2021-04-29 04:20:24
plus it compress beautify
2021-04-29 04:20:35
the image can look too white that's the problem
2021-04-29 04:20:54
i have not the recent build
Pieter
fab wp2 is crazy good at avoiding pinwheels effect
2021-04-29 04:21:38
so what would be the problem with people using webp2 in places where it's appropriate?
fab
2021-04-29 04:22:00
i saw fb increasing bitrate
2021-04-29 04:22:08
maybe they aren't consistent
2021-04-29 04:22:14
or mozjpeg updated
2021-04-29 04:22:42
or is people that know well how to make photo
2021-04-29 04:23:34
if i remember fb used an older encoder than instagram
2021-04-29 04:23:46
now photos looks similar to instagram in quality
2021-04-29 04:24:20
better encoding tuning i see
Pieter what makes you worried that they'd use wp2?
2021-04-29 04:25:24
nothing
BlueSwordM
fab bluesword knows everything so he must know
2021-04-29 04:37:02
Sadly Fabian, that is not the case 😔
diskorduser
2021-04-29 04:37:12
Both fb and Instagram jpeg encoder suck. Always upload jpeg at 100 quality to fb and Instagram.
fab
2021-04-29 04:46:12
arun think that the photo i uploaded are compressed more than
2021-04-29 04:46:14
cavif rs 0.6.5 -q 89.08 -effort 3 -palette -s 4 -s 9 -q 89,92
2021-04-29 04:46:17
plus a recompression
2021-04-29 04:49:56
there's no reason to do so
2021-04-29 04:50:23
but i wanted the image to look perfect even after many recompressions
2021-04-29 04:52:43
it's difficult to make a galaxy s4 picture not made with selfie camera look good
2021-04-29 04:52:57
new phones i guess they have better jpg quality
2021-04-29 04:53:10
but sites apart from gsmarena don't upload full sample
2021-04-29 04:53:42
phones also use AI and is not simply generating pixels they simplify and reconstruct image
2021-04-29 04:54:16
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/blog/2021/04/28/beyond-calibri-finding-microsofts-next-default-font/
Pieter
2021-04-29 04:59:05
<@416586441058025472> It would help if you'd write in full sentences with capitalization and punctuation. I read the four lines above as one sentence, and couldn't make sense what gsmarena, phone encoders, AI, and microsoft fonts had to do with each other.
2021-04-29 05:02:51
I still don't know what you mean by "AI and not simply generating pixels, though. Are you saying they use some neural network for image compression?
fab
2021-04-29 05:38:01
see tcl image sample
2021-04-29 05:38:06
tcl phone
2021-04-29 05:39:00
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1YjF11wUGR0ukiqibf_G00dgifHSBKi0m?usp=sharing
2021-04-29 05:39:30
how can a 2 mb photo have that much detail?
2021-04-29 05:39:38
is only AI not true detail
Pieter
2021-04-29 05:41:10
That sounds like speculation. And what does that have to do with file size? The detail is in the file, whether it's real photography, or synthetic.
2021-04-30 01:17:26
Using specialized hardware in a way that produces correct results is of course also a condition to take into account 😉
Scientia
2021-04-30 04:40:31
Ohhh
2021-04-30 04:40:49
Try a yuv420 jpeg
2021-04-30 04:41:39
Your hardware decoder probably doesn't support yuv444p as it says
2021-04-30 04:42:12
Most non-photographic jpegs you find online should be yuv420
Pieter
2021-04-30 07:06:26
Hey, it's not all blue!
_wb_
2021-04-30 07:09:27
Maybe it only works with jpegs that use some specific huffman table or something
Pieter
2021-04-30 07:10:17
Or `mpv` or its hwdec driver, or the vaapi implementation <@456226577798135808> has is just buggy.
_wb_
2021-04-30 07:10:27
I wonder what's the use case for doing hw jpeg decode though - using it as a gpu texture format?
2021-04-30 07:11:20
You're giving a flac file to a jpeg decoder? I can see how that can go wrong 😅
2021-04-30 07:16:08
it might depend on details of the jpeg bitstream
2021-04-30 07:17:04
that's often the problem with hw decoders: they tend to be a bit less flexible in supporting any valid input but tend to have some additional constraints
2021-04-30 07:17:39
one thing that likely makes a difference is progressive or non-progressive
2021-04-30 07:17:53
most likely a hw jpeg decoder only supports non-progressive
2021-04-30 07:18:57
(can check with `identify -verbose input.jpg | grep Interlac` - if it says `: None` it is sequential, if it says `: JPEG` it is progressive)
2021-04-30 07:27:23
interesting
2021-04-30 07:27:52
so it's not that then
2021-04-30 07:28:00
interesting that it can do progressive
2021-04-30 07:30:49
there could be other bitstream-level differences, like 8-bit or 16-bit quant tables, or whatever
Jake
2021-04-30 07:36:56
I always am.
2021-04-30 07:37:07
Have been using that computer since I was a teenager. (I'm 31 now)
2021-04-30 07:37:17
It's fast enough.
2021-04-30 07:45:58
I have a computer with a celeron j1900, but the pentium 4 is fine as well for most things I do.
fab
2021-04-30 08:56:05
is the new xiaomi mi11 lite 5g good phone for the price? i want to view many jxl photos
2021-04-30 08:56:31
so i don't know
2021-04-30 08:56:38
because only 6gb of ram
2021-04-30 08:56:41
and it costs a lot
2021-04-30 08:56:51
and the economic version only 64 gb of memory
2021-04-30 08:57:20
and i want to install a lot of apps
2021-04-30 08:57:54
do i need to wait until something better comes?
2021-04-30 08:59:49
oppo is 229 euros 8 gb ram 128 gb memory
2021-04-30 08:59:55
but dimensity 720 mediatek
Pieter
fab because only 6gb of ram
2021-04-30 09:00:16
"only" ?
fab
2021-04-30 09:00:35
only 18 watt of charge
2021-04-30 09:00:49
the oppo is a73 5g
2021-04-30 09:01:05
the other are even worse
2021-04-30 09:01:42
all model are oppo a73 5g oppo a53s galaxy a21s galaxy a12 mi11lite redmi note10 redmi note9 redmi 9at
2021-04-30 09:02:00
the oppo would be good if it charged faster
Diamondragon
2021-04-30 09:02:03
That Snapdragon 780G is a really impressive SOC.
fab
2021-04-30 09:02:09
and 120hz
Diamondragon
2021-04-30 09:03:07
Four A78 cores, four A55 cores, a GPU about as strong as that in the 855...
fab
2021-04-30 09:03:23
ok
Diamondragon
2021-04-30 09:03:40
On a 5nm process (Samsung, not TSMC, but still.)
2021-04-30 09:03:53
No AV1 decoding though.
2021-04-30 09:04:26
What do you have now? Would be nice to know how big an upgrade this is for you.
fab
2021-04-30 09:04:47
galaxy s4 used phone that i bought wrongly 5 years ago
2021-04-30 09:05:09
it can't even do 100 geekbench with all the cores
2021-04-30 09:05:41
and it has a gpu
Pieter
2021-04-30 09:05:46
any modern phone is going to be a giant upgrade compared to that
fab
2021-04-30 09:05:58
why
Diamondragon
2021-04-30 09:06:13
This is going to be a giant leap for you then. That phone isn't even ARMv8.
Pieter
fab why
2021-04-30 09:07:05
because an 8 year old phone is ancient
fab
2021-04-30 09:07:47
i use whatsapp only to do wishes
2021-04-30 09:08:01
not sure if i need a modern phone
2021-04-30 09:08:07
or is something i have seen on tv
2021-04-30 09:08:11
but i don't really need
Pieter
2021-04-30 09:08:13
well if that's all you need, an old phone is probably just fine
2021-04-30 09:08:42
who cares?
fab
2021-04-30 09:08:59
ok i understood
diskorduser
2021-04-30 09:16:30
vaapi jpeg encoding works on ffmpeg. Could you test it?
Jake
2021-04-30 09:22:03
openSUSE and Windows XP.
Crixis
2021-04-30 10:33:12
Today in speed concern windows 10 is fairly optimized but application loading
2021-04-30 10:33:38
You need a ssd or is a pain
2021-04-30 10:34:03
Possible is due bigger ui framework?
Jim
2021-04-30 10:36:01
Partly. I think a lot of it is that the majority of people having not used an HDD in a long time you just forgot how slow it was. When HDDs were the only option the slow performance was just seen as normal.
Crixis
2021-04-30 10:37:54
Yes but xp is a lot faster in application loader then windows 10 in my experience, not in all other tasks
2021-04-30 10:39:17
With a ram increse I run win 10 in a lot of old system
Jim
2021-04-30 10:42:20
Everything or just specific ones?
2021-04-30 10:59:45
Some of it is probably that 10 is optimized much more for modern GPUs. If you're using a really old GPU that doesn't support newer features or are running in software mode it just doesn't work as well.
Deleted User
2021-04-30 11:22:44
I think that Win10 Pro actually works better than factory-provided Win7 Ultimate on my laptop.
spider-mario
fab only 18 watt of charge
2021-04-30 02:54:39
note that for battery longevity, you don’t want to go much above a charging speed of “1C” (100% in one hour) so a charging speed faster than 18W needs a battery of at least 18Wh to really make sense
2021-04-30 02:54:59
with 1-cell li-ion batteries, so 3.7V, that’s ~5000 mAh
Crixis
2021-04-30 03:32:12
Pieter
2021-05-01 04:19:18
I don't really understand what is being traded. Is it talking about switching from a Linux desktop to Windows?
Deleted User
2021-05-01 04:20:31
I don't understand it either, Win10 + WSL2 gives you both worlds at the same time.
fab
2021-05-01 05:24:13
NowarNeoSans-Neut-400-0.8.0 16 betinya-sans 12 helveticafortarget 15 libra-sans-modern 10 libra-serif-modern 11 camingo code 11 husrev-hatti-arapca 9,8 redaction 11,5 egyptian-slate-pro 13,5 fivo-sans-modern 14 id-isi-lightot- 8 skeena 9,5
2021-05-01 05:25:10
i'm already using seaford microsoft font at 12pt
2021-05-01 05:25:14
i got from cufonts
Nova Aurora
Pieter I don't really understand what is being traded. Is it talking about switching from a Linux desktop to Windows?
2021-05-02 01:45:24
Its talking about the EEE relationship between microsoft and linux, where WSL is being used to bring the benefits of Linux in Windows, while the creator is claiming that only Edge and the port of the Windows Calculator being the only thing the Linux community has gotten in return
Pieter
2021-05-02 01:47:59
Ah, I see. I saw "trade" more in the meaning of one party losing something and the other gaining it.
2021-05-02 01:52:57
Wine? VirtualBox? Qemu? :p
Scientia
2021-05-02 02:41:17
Fat chance of that ) ;
2021-05-02 02:42:15
They could make a paid version of such a thing but probably nobody would buy it
2021-05-02 02:42:47
Also they'd have to actually work with their APIs to make a compatibility layer and they're an absolute mess haha
Nova Aurora
2021-05-02 05:53:00
Microsoft ❤️ open source projects doing the work for them
fab
2021-05-02 06:48:01
do you can read this text without zooming?
2021-05-02 06:48:24
2021-05-02 06:48:34
this was the project of nouveaba plate
2021-05-02 06:48:47
the one without transtype correction
2021-05-02 06:48:52
in fact it looks better
2021-05-02 06:48:57
because that's how i intended
2021-05-02 06:56:48
2021-05-02 06:56:54
this is the official
2021-05-02 06:57:10
it contains all the fonts but much better designed
2021-05-02 07:37:30
calcutta (overall) 10,5 assailand (readability) 9 nouveaba plate (legibility) 8,5 skeena (microsoft) 13
2021-05-02 07:37:42
also camingocode is good
2021-05-02 07:42:00
seaford microsoft font i didn'dt liked
2021-05-02 07:43:24
i'm hyped for GRANDVIEW and i want SKEENA
2021-05-02 07:44:04
sure there are better fonts than these
2021-05-02 07:44:14
but i want a calibri/arial replacement
2021-05-02 07:44:40
los-angeleno-grotesque could replace helvetica
2021-05-02 07:45:01
is good to use as notepad font
2021-05-02 07:46:05
nouveaba bold is bad and is rendered poorly also it lacks numbers
Pieter
2021-05-02 07:59:10
fira code.
190n
2021-05-02 07:59:35
iosevka is the goat coding font
fab
2021-05-02 08:04:25
MSOffice-RHR-TC-Normal
2021-05-02 08:05:02
https://github.com/CyanoHao/MSOffice-RHR
2021-05-02 08:05:14
25 mb each chinese fonts
2021-05-02 08:05:46
not good
2021-05-02 08:05:52
helvetica is better for title
2021-05-02 08:05:58
and weight way less
2021-05-02 08:06:42
also i'm thinking installing those fonts, those encoders, those scripts is it a waste of space itself?
2021-05-02 08:07:47
using those 3 methods to reduce image size is very useful?
2021-05-02 08:07:48
https://discord.com/channels/794206087879852103/805176455658733570/838121635789799445
2021-05-02 08:08:21
how can a computer be smarter?
2021-05-02 08:08:58
a computer it can only say the estimated quality only when is a jpg
2021-05-02 08:09:17
only with xnview and you should open the image
2021-05-02 08:09:23
waste of time
2021-05-02 08:09:39
the space you lose you'll regain
2021-05-02 08:25:55
https://not.cafe/2021/05/01/compile-your-own-bleeding-edge-av1-encoders.html
2021-05-02 08:25:57
2021-05-02 09:31:32
too legible like isn't good
2021-05-02 09:31:33
https://www.ilcentesimo.com/
2021-05-02 09:31:54
too readable like assailand font (azeri sans) neither
2021-05-02 10:20:28
new font i created combining two best fonts
2021-05-02 10:20:56
https://github.com/danhhong/Hanuman
2021-05-02 10:22:00
https://www.dafont.com/it/los-angeleno-sans.font
2021-05-02 10:22:11
made with https://www.glyphrstudio.com/online/
2021-05-02 10:22:20
and combining fonts with fontforge with this technique
2021-05-02 10:22:25
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8585220/copy-paste-glyph-character-from-one-font-file-to-another
2021-05-02 10:33:06
here's my repositories
2021-05-02 10:33:07
https://github.com/fabiorug/Nouveaba-Plate
2021-05-02 10:33:19
https://github.com/fabiorug/Suduwe-font
2021-05-02 10:33:27
created now
2021-05-02 11:20:45
2021-05-02 11:20:46
2021-05-02 11:22:03
2021-05-02 12:18:12
that's a normal font https://www.instagram.com/p/COXqJ6fH_wz/
2021-05-02 07:31:12
grandview 10 seaford 9,5 skeena 19 BIERSTADt 12 tenorite 12,5 calibri 13 this would be the size i would use 31 LEGIBILITY 22.1 28 LEGIBILITY 31198 28.8 LEGIBLITY 44.32 32 LEGIBILITY 43.28 12 LEGIBILITY 22.3 32.91 LEGIBILITY 40.89
Scientia
2021-05-02 07:35:44
where are these values coming from?
fab
2021-05-02 07:38:41
max 39.99 45 you can have
2021-05-02 07:52:23
i'll add
2021-05-02 07:52:25
36 suduwe 37 39.99 assailand 29.27 nouveaba plate 35,2 37,22
Scientia where are these values coming from?
2021-05-02 08:00:01
i will try those fonts but not with paying microsoft cloud, i'll wait until they leak at cufonts or vk
2021-05-02 08:05:13
finished
Deleted User
2021-05-03 12:15:50
<@!710762823986446367> I've seen your YCbCr downsampling tool at https://goo.gle/yuv. How easy would it be to rewrite it for XYB?
_wb_
2021-05-03 05:32:35
In XYB we don't do subsampling. You could subsample X and B but there is no way to do it in jxl - chroma subsampling is only allowed for YCbCr and if all vardct block sizes are the same...
2021-05-03 05:33:00
Could be interesting to see what happens if you do though
Jake Archibald
2021-05-03 05:48:37
<@456226577798135808> should just be a matter of changing https://github.com/jakearchibald/image-experiments/blob/main/client/channels/components/ChromaCanvas/s.frag
2021-05-03 05:49:05
Feel free to fork it, or I'm happy to do it if you give me the formulas
monad
2021-05-03 06:06:13
You could define some quality metric for arbitrary standalone images, but it surely wouldn't correlate with perception. If you have a source image, you can use tools like butteraugli or dssim to test differences.
2021-05-03 06:19:57
Sounds like it.
Diamondragon
2021-05-03 06:35:40
Have you seen the ex-jpeg detector? https://encode.su/threads/1258-Detector-for-ex-JPEG-images
2021-05-03 06:37:53
You can't use it to compare a specified PNG to a specified JPG, but you could convert PNG files into PPM files (with IrfanView or something), and scan the PPM files with the detector to see whether they are likely to be JPEG -> PNG conversions.
Scientia
2021-05-03 06:44:01
couldn't you just do the "dumb" way and convert the jpeg to a png then compare the raw pixel data from each png?
2021-05-03 06:44:15
this won't tell you if the png is from a different jpeg
2021-05-03 06:44:33
but it should tell you if it was converted from that specific jpeg
veluca
2021-05-03 09:10:09
it won't *necessarily* work
2021-05-03 09:10:18
you can decode a JPEG in many different ways
Deleted User
Jake Archibald <@456226577798135808> should just be a matter of changing https://github.com/jakearchibald/image-experiments/blob/main/client/channels/components/ChromaCanvas/s.frag
2021-05-03 10:35:19
This might be helpful. https://discord.com/channels/794206087879852103/804324493420920833/817841024449511446
Master Of Zen
2021-05-04 02:20:49
If you use ublock origin, in settings you can disable fonts, which will force web to be displayed in whatever fonts you like)
2021-05-04 02:21:05
2021-05-04 02:25:00
I really like this one: https://www.lexend.com/
Nova Aurora
Master Of Zen If you use ublock origin, in settings you can disable fonts, which will force web to be displayed in whatever fonts you like)
2021-05-04 02:30:06
There's also an option in stock firefox
2021-05-04 02:30:45
190n
Master Of Zen I really like this one: https://www.lexend.com/
2021-05-04 02:44:00
lol floating point moment
Deleted User
2021-05-04 02:45:18
> just use floats™️
2021-05-04 02:45:20
<:kekw:808717074305122316>
190n
2021-05-04 02:45:51
<:FeelsSadMan:808221433243107338>
2021-05-04 02:45:54
i did mean for video
Deleted User
190n <:FeelsSadMan:808221433243107338>
2021-05-04 02:46:27
<:FrogSupport:805394101528035328>
Pieter
2021-05-04 02:52:34
A programmer had a problem. He thought, "I know! I'll use floating point!". Now he has 1.9999997 problems.
Master Of Zen
2021-05-04 03:27:00
Just Google that font, one of first links to google fonts, get it from there
2021-05-04 03:27:13
Or there is their github repo with fonts
Nebraskan
2021-05-04 05:38:30
There's some bad science on that page. Fonts with the same point size aren't necessarily the same "size". Lexend is clearly larger than Times New Roman. Just making the Times New Roman larger would probably have the same positive effect on legibility.
_wb_
2021-05-04 05:51:00
I suppose there are some pros and cons to sans vs serif and other font style decisions in terms of legibility.
2021-05-04 05:52:22
I think it depends a lot on the display technology too: print is different from screen, bright on dark is different from dark on bright, high-dpr screens are different from low-dpr screens, etc.
2021-05-04 05:57:01
And there's also a cultural/habit aspect to it, e.g. Gothic fonts are hard to read for me, but for a German that may be different
2021-05-04 05:58:18
That's the conventional wisdom, yes. Though that's also partly from the times when screens didn't have enough pixels to render the serifs nicely.
fab
2021-05-04 07:15:30
2021-05-04 07:15:40
Deleted User
Nebraskan There's some bad science on that page. Fonts with the same point size aren't necessarily the same "size". Lexend is clearly larger than Times New Roman. Just making the Times New Roman larger would probably have the same positive effect on legibility.
2021-05-04 01:08:58
Someone else explained it (and wants to fix this): https://tonsky.me/blog/font-size/
_wb_
2021-05-04 01:27:29
Ah yes, just change the makefile to opencv4 iirc
2021-05-04 01:28:06
(or use the ssimulacra implementation from the jxl repo, it does not depend on opencv at all)
fab
2021-05-04 02:44:42
does it work with mpc be
2021-05-04 02:45:16
they need GPU ?
2021-05-04 02:52:14
in which folders should i copy
2021-05-04 02:52:21
and what extension they have
2021-05-04 02:53:08
for windows
2021-05-04 02:53:13
ah you use linux
2021-05-04 02:53:37
but anyone know how to install one on win?
2021-05-04 02:54:07
so not for vlc
spider-mario
2021-05-04 03:29:41
mpv is excellent, if only due to being color-managed (https://mpv.io/manual/stable/#options-icc-profile-auto)
monad
2021-05-04 03:31:46
It also has great video playback performance.
Master Of Zen
2021-05-05 12:41:16
Ok
2021-05-05 12:41:24
It's now Open Sans
2021-05-05 12:41:35
2021-05-05 01:57:41
And now it's Roboto Light
Nova Aurora
2021-05-05 03:13:19
Roboto is my current favorite free font
_wb_
2021-05-05 05:23:59
Not sure, I compile with `./ci.sh opt` and that compiles both butteraugli and ssimulacra
Deleted User
2021-05-05 10:16:25
`-DJPEGXL_ENABLE_DEVTOOLS=ON`
2021-05-05 10:17:17
That's strange, mine works perfectly with PNG...
_wb_
2021-05-05 10:22:37
Could be. Which ssimulacra are you using? The one from jxl?
2021-05-05 10:29:03
That one only really works for 8-bit sRGB input: it ignores icc profiles and is probably buggy for things like grayscale or 16-bit input.
2021-05-05 11:06:52
Comparing original to downscaled+upscaled version?
fab
2021-05-05 07:13:13
random screenshot
2021-05-05 07:13:24
to test quality
2021-05-05 07:23:33
2021-05-05 07:26:37
kb 47.4 lossless 9
2021-05-05 07:31:03
KAGAMI
2021-05-06 01:29:26
Indeed off-topic but anyway yup
Jim
2021-05-06 06:12:49
Now fully vaxed!
Fox Wizard
2021-05-06 06:19:47
📡
Deleted User
2021-05-06 06:20:02
About to get the first dose of Moderna in the next week! 😃
2021-05-06 06:21:01
I'm about to double my Asperger's 😜
2021-05-06 06:23:16
But I'm not sure what will happen after the second dose, though... My Asperger's gonna overload the chip and cause a BSoD, I guess <:kekw:808717074305122316>
Pieter
2021-05-06 06:32:18
I get my second dose of Moderna next week. So far, I have not noticed any improved 5G reception.
190n
Jim Now fully vaxed!
2021-05-06 06:38:05
buy windows buy windows buy windows
_wb_
2021-05-06 07:22:57
https://c.tenor.com/ZnVl-BuTO_AAAAAM/windows98-memz.gif
Nova Aurora
2021-05-06 08:32:53
WTF did proton do to the tabs 🤮
2021-05-07 01:24:04
It's like they went out of their way to make a worse design
2021-05-07 01:24:27
It's harder to tell what the active tab is, and it uses more screen space
2021-05-07 01:26:26
Oh, and no more compact layout because no one needs that /s
2021-05-07 01:32:26
I don't know
2021-05-07 01:32:39
I use stable on my normal system
2021-05-07 01:33:11
I was just shocked at how bad nightly is when I tested jxl on it
2021-05-07 01:40:58
The builds are right there
Scientia
2021-05-07 01:44:17
The GUI is now compatible with Linux?
2021-05-07 01:44:35
Too bad I spent several months learning the CLI syntax
2021-05-07 01:47:48
It's unmaintained?
2021-05-07 01:47:58
I've never had issue with it
monad
2021-05-07 05:35:45
Sad, now I have to recompress all my 7z archives.
Scientia
2021-05-07 05:40:50
what kind of improvements even?
2021-05-07 05:41:02
the algorithms should be pretty similar
2021-05-07 05:41:11
lzma2 should be relatively mature
monad
2021-05-07 05:43:35
I didn't test it much, it's maybe ~7% faster with ~0.1% denser archives on what I tested.
Petr
monad I didn't test it much, it's maybe ~7% faster with ~0.1% denser archives on what I tested.
2021-05-07 05:50:00
Which methods/formats? LZMA2/7z?
monad
2021-05-07 05:51:21
Default 7z format.
2021-05-07 05:55:01
More testing, some content produces larger archives.
Scientia
2021-05-07 06:17:31
There's no telling
2021-05-07 06:17:37
If there actually were changes
2021-05-07 06:17:51
Or if the default method parameters were changed
Troc
2021-05-07 11:39:35
So, about Firefox Nightly being frustrating.
2021-05-07 11:44:39
The white line disappears when I disable the theme, but the problem is that I want to use the theme.
2021-05-07 11:44:58
The warm grey and gold are very pleasant to my eyes.
2021-05-07 11:49:58
The line now disappears from under the selected tab.
2021-05-07 11:50:50
Previously it was under every tab.
2021-05-07 11:52:28
On a positive note, the tabs now have a nicer shape.
2021-05-07 11:53:56
On a negative note, the tabs now have no X button in them.
2021-05-07 11:57:03
Got an idea how to fix?
2021-05-07 11:58:54
The line, I got the close button back fortunately.
diskorduser
2021-05-07 12:02:54
Is it enough to download nightly from Firefox website to view jxl or should I build it manually?
Troc
2021-05-07 12:04:44
You do have to flip a switch in the settings though.
diskorduser
2021-05-07 12:14:13
yes. it works
2021-05-07 12:19:24
🙂 🙂 🙂
Troc
2021-05-07 12:45:08
I got my answer! I had to add #nav-bar { box-shadow: none !important; } in my CSS.
2021-05-07 12:47:16
Sorry for the REEEing
spider-mario
2021-05-07 07:02:52
not blaming you or anything as you may not have known, but FYI, the “REEE” meme is considered by some to be offensive to autistic people
2021-05-07 07:02:59
I don’t know how widely that feeling is shared
2021-05-07 07:03:23
I might just have come across a minority that feels that way
improver
2021-05-07 07:22:23
never heard of that one
Pieter
2021-05-07 07:25:36
same (had to look up what REEEing was)
improver
2021-05-07 07:36:51
ah no i meant never heard of it being considered offensive. or that it was even considered meme
2021-05-07 07:37:43
i mean it's pretty obvious to imagine what kind of reaction it is
Troc
spider-mario not blaming you or anything as you may not have known, but FYI, the “REEE” meme is considered by some to be offensive to autistic people
2021-05-07 08:22:54
I'm in the autism spectrum myself and have decided to own the meme.
spider-mario
2021-05-07 08:23:22
fair enough, I suppose
monad
2021-05-07 09:01:04
"X considered by some to be offensive" is a meme of its own, frankly
veluca
2021-05-07 09:25:04
isn't it true for almost any X? 😛
improver
2021-05-07 09:27:44
X considered by some to be offensive the meme is considered by some to be offensive
Crixis
improver X considered by some to be offensive the meme is considered by some to be offensive
2021-05-07 09:29:03
Recursion... are memes turing complete?
spider-mario
improver ah no i meant never heard of it being considered offensive. or that it was even considered meme
2021-05-07 11:45:07
here is some context: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/reeeeeee
2021-05-07 11:46:11
and https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/6ymo2u/what_is_the_meaning_of_reeeeeee/
improver
2021-05-07 11:50:20
idk ive been around imageboards a lot and that just sorta happened naturally at some point guess it can be considered meme but ehh i sorta hate when smallest things like that are called memes and have their own documentation pages etc its more like part of culture
Scope
2021-05-07 11:50:21
https://twitter.com/shoe0nhead/status/938829634703110145
monad
improver idk ive been around imageboards a lot and that just sorta happened naturally at some point guess it can be considered meme but ehh i sorta hate when smallest things like that are called memes and have their own documentation pages etc its more like part of culture
2021-05-07 11:52:07
> its more like part of culture Well, that's what a meme is
improver
2021-05-07 11:53:30
guess you could say that, I'm probably just too used to it
Troc
2021-05-08 05:11:40
The way I used REEE is the imply unreasonable vocalizations of frustration, as in, I'm so angry I'm unable to even describe it, simply resorting to a screeching noise.
2021-05-08 05:14:18
After most of my Firefox issues were fixed, I felt like my conduct earlier had been too angry and used the meme for self-deprecation.
fab
2021-05-08 07:25:28
2021-05-08 07:26:02
Like trying jpeg xl the Quality seem so good
2021-05-08 07:26:58
At q 82.85 s 9
2021-05-08 07:27:08
Or s 6
2021-05-08 07:27:41
Jxl makes everything better
2021-05-08 07:28:06
This is video codec though
2021-05-08 07:28:10
In png
Scientia
2021-05-08 11:22:18
fabian you should be using distance
2021-05-08 11:22:30
distance is what the devs are mostly working on
fab
2021-05-09 06:24:24
This is Not encoded anyway neither in any quality or q78 neither in avif q18
2021-05-09 06:24:36
This just a png screenshot
2021-05-09 06:25:21
Butteraugli improvements you wont See this month anyway
2021-05-09 06:28:10
Then of what you Say maybe they add a low RAM encode mode
2021-05-09 06:28:27
Or some tuning like 04052021 or even better
Deleted User
2021-05-09 03:03:55
<@!172952901075992586> How does that look regarding banding?
Jim
2021-05-09 03:07:30
Banding is noticeable, maybe slightly less than the others.
Deleted User
2021-05-09 03:14:08
Ok, this used Floyd-Steinberg and shouldn't create any banding on 8-bit displays. So either your OS/viewer or display are doing some color processing that reduces the 8-bit color range to something lower or your display isn't capable of the full "true color" spectrum (e.g. using 6-bit plus FRC).
2021-05-09 03:31:27
If you add a slight amount of noise, banding should disappear on your end since the image itself is free of bands. Compare that to https://discord.com/channels/794206087879852103/804324493420920833/840934339827204136 where noise won't eliminate the banding because it is inherent to this image.
Jim
2021-05-09 03:37:28
I retried them all in image viewer, the WebPs look fine, the PNGs all have banding. IrfranView reports them all as 24bpp. The browser shows one of the WebPs with banding and all PNGs have banding.
Deleted User
2021-05-09 03:41:38
Interesting, maybe some ICC or other color processing hapenning when viewed through the browser.
Crixis
2021-05-09 04:20:16
If I want to buy a good '21 screen for a 1060 gtx?
Crixis If I want to buy a good '21 screen for a 1060 gtx?
2021-05-09 04:21:06
<@604964375924834314>, can you suggest me?
Deleted User
Crixis <@604964375924834314>, can you suggest me?
2021-05-09 04:31:13
ASUS ROG Swift PG65UQ 😁