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actually is that even true A very nice thought you could have is that as long as there are multiple options and no way to tell them apart (like when you mix 2 gases and they combine, you have no way to know which started on which side) You can consider that there is no truthful initial position of them, which is very interesting there are multiple theories about the past of our world, and maybe none of them are true but you should not say things that only relate to a single experiment against thousands of others and say that THIS one specifically is correct It is always better to consider the broader spectrum of possibility ^^ maybe some weird god exists! who knows, but don't affirm things you cannot prove, just state a possibility ^^

100 reasons why evolution is stupid: http://jesusgod-pope666.info/uvpf.php#/?playlistId=12&videoId=2

This is not how you do science.

I disagree. I love Allah and I love that He gave us intelligence, the power to make AV1/JPEG-XL encoders, the power to make so much mind bending technology, to cure diseases, etc.

There are university fields exclusively reserved for evolution: Evolutionary biology as a good example

Observations, dead things in the ground all over the world from the world wide flood.

They don't study your "playlists" there

Honestly, I will start ignoring him. I'm not doing anything productive with him since he's denser than osmium and won't learn. He's against Allah's teachings of making the world better so I will just ignore him.

And Evolution is regardless

It is the Truth, evolution is one big gigantic stinking turd of lies.

You don't need evolution to disprove god or any belief.

They are beliefs after all

with 0 evidence

Nazism based on evolution, communism, atheism and much more.

Philosophy is something else. We can imagine things; we can share opinions, etc.

Emre, you cannot convince him like that It is actually impossible to convince someone who is in "flat earth" type of mind if you agree: your facts are corroborated by special niche super scientists who fight against the villain! if you disagree: your sources are corrupted by evil scientists! there is no way of winning an argument...

But this shouldn't include imposition

I do not care about nazism

It is again a fallacy

Yeah... Hopeless.

Allah gave us intelligence and the ability to study our universe. Are you discrediting Allah's creations, the 13.B year old universe, life and existence?

I dare you to see the video on 100 reasons why evolution is stupid.

If you are still an evolutionist after that you have more faith then I have.

the only way out of that kind of mind is learning to be open to understand that there exists other valid ways to think than yours and that is the ultimate way of thinking because it brings tolerance, ability to work with others and understanding of way more things

It takes some real faith to believe in that rubbish.

*JPEG XL with a non-breaking space ;P

Tolerable... Like Christians are called to be tolerant and stop speaking the Truth. Nay we speak what we know is facts.

It takes some real faith to deny the fact that Allah gave us intelligence to scour the universe and learn about it.

And evolution is like Satan claws and easter rabbits and tooth fairy and what not.

Anyway see the 100 reasons why evolution is stupid and see how many problems you get : http://jesusgod-pope666.info/uvpf.php#/?playlistId=12&videoId=2 It is free.

I come from the 2 nation in the world believing in this rubbish satanic nonsense of evolution.

I believed it for adound 30 years of my life as fact.

it is not free ^^' it means A LOT of my time I am actually interested to learn the kind of bias religious people get into but that is way too much time consumed...

I got more important things to do

Served on a silver platter. You decide.

Cause and effect. That is science.

Theory, test and calculate to see if it is true.

I'll be working on improving JPEG XL instead of trying to tell truth from lies on a subject I have no experience in

JPEG-XL bad, AV1 good.

That's what I'm trying to fix

We already made progressive lossless half the size, faster decoding 75% smaller and 25% faster

There's nothing to fix? JPEG-XL is just so bad for video compared to AV1 😭

Sir this is an image format

He's trolling

Though, unironically we could probably do a lot better with that too

Right now there's no inter-frame optimisation or differential storage

Though the decoder needs to be optimised too

We could plagiarize code from gifsicle or apngasm for that

For lossy, kAdd subtraction my beloved

Though I don't actually know if VarDCT can go into negatives

We could also optimise for empty alpha. Resample or squeeze it, so it's still completely lossless, but isn't storing a 1:1 sized empty channel

More testing to be done!

Well, it wouldn't be lossless if Alpha is resampled, but it would be imperceptibly lossy. Maybe for VarDCT it would work better

I mean, even the interframe functionality allowed by the JXL standard is nothing compared to proper video codecs. As one human told us, I was just playing with you 😄

Oh yeah, they should be used in tandem, but we might as well make the most of it

Resampling a white square would still be a white square, right?

edges would appear fuzzy

I mean completely empty alpha, that oxipng would strip

Then why not strip it?

Some programs are finicky and require it, so if we can nullify the decode speed penalty and it only costs a few bytes, might as well keep it

I feel like that's a skill issue in other programs but sure

Seems like a fun challenge

Could also explore the single squeeze step technique Jon used for a 1-bit image before

what the hell is going on in this channel today

Simple. The AV1ers fought the JXLers: https://discord.com/channels/794206087879852103/806898911091753051/1368688522034417764

Luckily for us, both camps found a common ground: making stuff better and not fighting over trivial garbage.

Now back to business

Did I miss out on fun arguments here

lol

It's okay for different people to have different views

Doesn't mean the other person is evil, it just means they have their own independent mind and their own sincerely held beliefs and their own lessons and journey they're going through. :)

People are so quick to judge others when they disagree about literally anything instead of just getting along and being at peace with the existence of different points of view... It's the most shameful thing about the human race, the inability to live with others who are different.

Does it really matter at the end of the day if someone has the wrong belief about something they have zero control or influence of?

Most of the time it's a belief about something they have no control or influence over.

Like gods.

Hmm a lot of things happened while I was sleeping

why not chatting with peace and enjoying some furries

I've successfully imported furry JXLs in a class which is a milestone

Are the JXLs furry, or are the furries JXLs?

JXLs of furries of course

They saved the significant space

I was wondering whether or not to ban this person but he already left, it seems.

They were acting similar in the yt-dlp server

Despite my initial reservations, I endeavored to provide him with the technical assistance he required. The presence of erroneous beliefs or bigotry is not the sole issue at hand. It is evident that he was attempting to impose a considerable number of elements upon the group. In addition, I have encountered a multitude of comments that are transphobic or that demonstrate similar prejudices toward other potential values held by various individuals in this community. Still it's a world with no real free will, and I completely agree with you on that side. But does this server have no moderation? Respect should be from both sides. We are also people with emotions after all. I could say that a child killer doesn't have the actual capability of not choosing to do it, but this fact doesn't stop us from hating that person. In my opinion, philosophical discussions shouldn't be like this. There is no reason to turn your whole existence into a weird advertisement and ram that down into everyone's throat. Especially when it's blatantly and clearly, heavily opinionated and biased; and especially in a community like this with many amazing people. I verbally acknowledged that he was an interesting individual and had the right to have any opinions/beliefs he wanted and kindly tried to warn him about proper interactivity with other people but he continued. In a completely philosophical perspective, I think he can exist in any community but in a place with rules; he deserved to be banned many times. In the end, he wasn't banned. I think he was bored since we stopped responding and there was no reason left to continue trolling.

I assumed the name was just another "Strange username on the internet", but they quickly proved that wrong

I kicked them

(I don’t have banning rights so it’s just a kick, but it seems they haven’t come back)

I wasn't sure what to expect at first either, I thought he might be here to troll but as it went on he seemed to actually be acting more like one of those older religious types with sincerely held beliefs.

Looks like I missed a LOT I haven't read while I was gone though lol.

Free will huh? Now that's an interesting idea.

It's related to whether or not fate exists. Either way it seems difficult to define in a useful, consequential way with actionable results and implications on how you should conduct life any differently.

It's possible everything we do is laid out for us and predetermined... maybe past and future are as one. Maybe your choice is something you or someone else already made somewhere beyond the human perception of time. Maybe it's even possible to see and predict the future. Hard to say, but regardless if any of that is true, you can't really use it as an excuse to act any differently one way or the other...

It is a very difficult philiosophical question to deal with

The more we psychologically "take ownership" of our power to influence and direct and change our own lives, the more we feel like we are living our own life and not someone else's

So from a pragmatic point of view it's best not to entertain such ideas of not being in control of your own life because it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy in a way.

Even if it's entirely possible from a philosophical point of view.

and it is especially bad to fall into the mindset of "what is planned for me has been planned for me so I will stop trying to change"

It kind of reminds me of arguing whether God exists. Let's say God does exist? But, as an infinite being, God could possess all of the traits of a being that has existence as well as all of the traits of a being with non-existence at the same time, right?

Yeah, it's philosophically intriguing

but psychologically and neurologically we certainly know that absolute free will doesn't exist

The ultimate, infinite being could possess all traits like that.

there are simply countless contributors you can't get to choose

Then it would be funny because the people arguing for his existence and non existence would both be right in their own way

even a simple hormonal change can cause behavioral differences while it's just a fraction within all the contributors

it's a dilemma in some other sciences

such as law & politics

because we also need to imply that people are responsible for their actions

Sure, but even acknowledging all of that, it could be hazardous to dwell on such things if they lead to someone forfeiting their potential to change or direct or take ownership of the life they are given to live.

obviously

humans are irrational

we always think we choose

I noticed this as well. Quaint little creatures aren't they.

even if you agree on predeterminism

even today's social engineering and most countries' political systems rely on libertarian patternalism

it is more effective when people think they chose

Mind control is always more effective when you convince your subject they had a choice.

Yes

because then it's harder for them to feel deceived

That's why our exalted masters have switched to a democratic system.

To convince us that we somehow have a stake in our own subjugation

Our mental obedience and servitude is something we have a personal and emotional investment in. The wise oligarch creates many methods to keep the cattle feeling mentally attached and invested in the program of their own enslavement and abuse.

After a fair election takes place, our exalted god-kings obviously have the mandate to do whatever they wish to us.

They won that right fair and square after all. It's their divine right to rule us subjects.

Humans think they change but they never change do they?

There are countless sources / instances regarding these

Maybe that hits too close to home since most people mentally justify their own abuse and exploitation because their masters have the mandate of ~~heaven~~ democracy

Social media is a huge example

It functions as a substantial social engineering platform, exhibiting characteristics of operant conditioning and libertarian patternalism in its operation. A notable parallel can be drawn to a Skinner's Box experiment, wherein participants are not explicitly guided, instructed, or forced to perform specific actions. However, over time, they spontaneously exhibit the desired behaviors, subsequently attributing this behavior to their own volition. This approach obviates the need for extensive moderation or regulation, as the platform's inherent dynamics are sufficient for achieving the desired outcomes. The creation of a multifaceted system, encompassing subreddits and their respective upvote/downvote mechanisms, serves as a form of conditioning and reinforcement. Nudging mechanisms and chilling effects, such as the imposition of bans and the locking of posts and users, are employed to gently steer users towards the desired behavior, while bots provide additional guidance. The platform's evolution appears to be a natural process, culminating in a self-regulating environment.

Many get upset when I point out the psychological dependence and attachment people have to their own indispensable governors and rulers.

- A scandal study from Facebook but they have the audacity. They want to demonstrate that they can easily change ideas in mass numbers for obvious reasons : [Experimental evidence of massive-scale emotional contagion through social networks](https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1320040111) - [Cambridge Analytica scandal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93Cambridge_Analytica_data_scandal) - [Social Media, Political Polarization, and Political Disinformation: A Review of the Scientific Literature](https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3144139)

Breaking Bad is an extremely good series about these

Yes. Our Exalted Tech Lords are pretty open about how their users are their patients and psuchological test subjects to experiment on as they please. :)

It's especially directly related to the book: *"Ordinary Men"* by **Christopher Browning**

Democracy is just another psychological tool used to justify their divine right to rule

A very successful one that helps the cattle get even more attached and invested

Notice all of the pointless political debates that never go anywhere because they aren't ever designed to arrive at an actionable conclusion. The type of pointless drivel that the television always wants us to argue among ourselves about. Rather than things we can all agree on are obvious.

It's more important to focus on things that we can't influence but think we have stake in. So we can have the illusion we are making a choice that matters.

Democracy also loses its appeal

It helped people after the second world war

And whether we "win" or "lose" the next election, well at least they had a fair and honest election that completely justifies anything they do afterwards.

people voted for social constructs, better education, etc

That election gives them the right to hurt us. It's what we as a people wanted.

but after they got older, they voted for keeping their wealth instead

younger generations' conditions get worse and worse each day

See? They said they won fair and square! They made sure it was honest for us too

It doesn't matter what anybody votes for because either way you are consenting to whatever they end up doing to you next.

Regardless of what they do to you, they have the moral high ground you see. They "asked" first

You don't have the right to complain because it's what the majority "wanted!"

The "voter mandate" they call it

democracy is the dictatorship of the majority

or something like that

Most people fall for this and think it's empowering... many will get upset by pointing it out because they have been justifying it to themselves since they were taught in school as kids how great it is

By the way. This is also why I very much disagree with people who are waiting for a messiah to come. Religiously or politically...

And yes, religion and politics are the same thing...

Chiefly concerned with your complete obedience to your Lord and Master

Without which, you are nothing!

Now all please rise and give praise for the privilege of our tribal identity.

Whether it's a flag or some other holy symbol, you better FEEL grateful to have it. Other tribes have it worse! Blah blah

😂

Anyways, like I said earlier, people who wait for a messiah to save the world will probably get their messiah. And they probably won't like it when they do.

> our country is better than that country! our religion is better than that religion! our politics is better than their that politics!

Exactly

And every time a messiah comes, there's always 2 possible outcomes

Everyone kills him, or

He starts killing everyone

So don't put your cards in a messiah 😂

unless its your credit cards in the checkout form of a new startup that promises to fix everything /s

We can all choose to be the person we wish we had in our lives.

To be the best friend we need

Even if you don't believe free will is a meaningful idea

You still gotta own your power

Set a good example for yourself and for anyone else who bothers to observe

Choose to act like how you wish people would act instead of always unconsciously reacting to negative with more negative

It's just the Golden Rule restated. Act like the person you wish you had

Anyways that concludes my ted lecture, there are free lollipops in the hall, thanks for attending

Democracy is a lie, everything you believe is probably a lie but that's okay, all that matters is try your best to be a good person that inspires yourself and others.

But there is still a problem in hand. When we criticize something, for example scientifically; we should talk about replacements. For example you can criticize "saturated fats" but when you replace them with high glycemic carbohydrates; the results become even worse.

I think it's strange people think they should avoid saturated fats (which is just a roundabout way of saying to avoid meat) when the meat is probably the most real and wholesome nutrient Americans get in their sad terrible diet.

The main problem with the American diet is that it's almost entirely just cheap empty carbs with no other nutritive value.

depends, sometimes something just sucks and a better alternative is simply to “not use it” (although for the specific example of democracy, that would be ill-defined)

And to a lesser extent also the cheap vegetable-based machine oil that's replacing wholesome food like butter and olive oil

Cottonseed oil is very cheap and common and it's literally industrial waste from the textile industry

Proctor and Gamble, the company that created Crisco, also created the American Heart Association to convince Americans eating garbage is healthier for them than eating real food

that sounds like an appeal to emotion, perhaps a noncentral argument relying on the archetypal “industrial waste”

They are literally selling and feeding garbage into people's mouths. Honestly I think it's an insulting gesture to feed garbage to people even if it's cheap

It's the kind of cold calculated cynicism I think is ruining our world

what about eating cottonseed oil is ruining our world?

Deciding that instead of selling people food you yourself would want to eat, making a cynical and strategic decision to literally feed people garbage because you know you can

That's a very cynical business decision

And cynical businessmen making products they themselves would never want is the type of thing that makes our world suck

Putting petroleum dye into our food and calling it "food" coloring never made sense to me either. Isn't it fraud to have the word "food" in the name if the product cannot be considered "food," "food-derived," or even "food-like" in any conceivable way?

It's called food coloring because it colors food. It's not that deep.

If I sold a bottle of tiny rubber and plastic particles and called it "food thickener" would that be allowed too?

Because that's essentially what they're doing with "food coloring"

If it's safe to consume then yes actually. Just because it has no nutritional value doesn't mean it's exempt from having "food" in the name.

When I see the word "food" in the name of a product I think the assumption is that the product is a food or contains some kind of ingredient that would be considered food

Not just pure plastic

I think most people would think of fraud if I did that

Yeah you can't say rigid things like this as "saturated fat" is bad in nutrition science

Almost all macro and micro nutrients have a lower and upper limit value for optimal intake

saturated fats are just so dense so you need to limit them further, compared to let's say, carbohydrates

but meat is definitely not the evil

I agree, refined carbs are a huge problem in the typical US diet

Yes and the biggest problem with Americans is that they consume tons of extremely cheap carbs fried in vegetable fat and the tiny amount of meat garnishing it is probably the most nutritious part of that terrible diet

Alcohol is a known carcinogen and yet we drink it regularly and label it as "food" 😅

Especially the cheap palm and corn oil with EXTREME levels of carcinogens and especially omega-6 fatty acids

And yet nutritionists want us to focus on the saturated fat? That's ridiculous and counterproductive. It's why nutrition science is becoming a punchline here

Actually they are just some cherry picked studies

nutrition science is very broad

and there is no consensus as to saturated fats, really

Yes but to be fair, small amounts of alcohol are naturally occuring in many natural raw foods like yoghurt

Or ripe fruit

well some studies compare a hamgurger only diet and a very good diet

but they are not acknowledged as much anyways

they just make the headlines on some controversial stuff

magazines, blogs...

Plastic is something you have to intentionally add to your food 😂

Well, it's in everything whether we like it or not

also bread

Yes but during the baking process I don't know if any alcohol survives or if it all evaporates

though toxicity from alcohol or fructose becomes apparent when the dose is slightly higher than that 😁

Yes, wine is delicious but drinking is not healthy according to literally everyone

Some people say drinking a glass a day is good for your heart but I doubt that

But carbs are the #1 problem here in the USA right now and telling people to avoid saturated fat will lead to them eating even more carbs and omega-6 fats

And cynical businessmen are feeding Americans the absolute worst, cheapest, industrial-sludge grade cattle-fodder. The cheapest, pesticide-soaked crops, often from crops that aren't regulated as a food crop, like cotton or rape or soy.

It's because of the resveratrol

You still get the harm from the alcohol

Only red wine though

And the cheapest grains, that farmers feed to pigs and cows to fatten them up, is creating a diabetes epidemic among children here

Well you have a huge problem in the US

your people are extremely obese

People are brainwashed into thinking it's healthy. By research funded by Procter and Gamble

diet and the culture around it are not "healthy"

extreme capitalism also has its role in it

It's actually called fascism

cheap, accessible, advertsied and highly popular fast food

The most popular economic system in the world

Also called corporatism too sometimes

I think "corporatism" is the most accurate word to describe what's happening right now

But what it basically means is, corporations work very closely with lawmakers and regulatory agencies to capture total control of their market sector, without having to worry about any competitors or alternatives showing up and threatening their business ever.

"Corporatism" is just the economic part of fascism

Most countries are like this, not just America. Unfortunately it seems to be really globally popular around the world

Communist countries like China and Cuba use slightly different semantics for it but it's basically the same thing there too for all practical purposes at the end of the day.

The only difference being that in a communist country, the Communist Party claims they own every sector and every business with at least a majority stake.

But the outcome is the same: you get shafted

For your own protection of course

They're always doing you such an important favor by giving themselves total control 😂

so is botox

if cooking potatoes in aluminium foil, make sure to keep them hot until the point of eating

there is very little literature on alcohol consumption that isn't highly contested

wine is like 80% of that lmao

the best we can say is "there are absolutely health benefits and detriments to drinking alcohol and well, your gonna die anyways so

[av1_akkoShrug](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/654080960492732435.webp?size=48&name=av1_akkoShrug)

Even moderate consumption of alcohol is linked to cognitive decline

[Associations between moderate alcohol consumption, brain iron, and cognition in UK Biobank participants](https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1004039) [Moderate drinking linked to brain changes and cognitive decline](https://oxfordbrc.nihr.ac.uk/moderate-drinking-linked-to-brain-changes-and-cognitive-decline/#:~:text=Consumption%20of%20seven%20or%20more,a%20study%20by%20Oxford%20researchers.&text=Accumulation%20of%20iron%20in%20the,for%20alcohol%2Drelated%20cognitive%20decline.) [Moderate alcohol consumption as risk factor for adverse brain outcomes and cognitive decline](https://www.bmj.com/content/357/bmj.j2353#:~:text=What%20this%20study%20adds%20*%20Compared%20with,alcohol%20and%20higher%20social%20class%20or%20IQ.) [Moderate drinking not better for health than abstaining, analysis suggests](https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jul/25/moderate-drinking-not-better-for-health-than-abstaining-analysis-suggests)

I also consume alcohol sometimes but this justification is a logical fallacy 😁 You can say the same thing for almost everything.

the issue with studies on alcohol is for every study that says it effects something badly, there is a study that says the exact opposite [Moderate, Regular Alcohol Consumption is Associated with Higher Cognitive Function in Older Community-Dwelling Adults](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4866612/) "Among Norwegian men, higher early adulthood cognitive ability was associated with more frequent alcohol consumption and binge drinking in midlife. More frequent alcohol consumption associated with higher levels of physical activity and lower heart rate, but also more tobacco smoking and mental distress." https://research-information.bris.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/166044508/Manuscript_author_version.pdf "n addition to the cognitive benefits reported here, moderate levels of alcohol consumption have a protective effect against coronary heart disease (34) and possibly ischemic stroke (35). However, the benefits of alcohol drinking may be outweighed by an increased risk of other diseases (including cirrhosis of the liver, pancreatitis, upper aerodigestive cancers, and alcohol psychoses) and of violence and accidents" Alcohol Consumption and Cognitive Function in the Whitehall II Study

saying "alcohol is linked to cognitive decline" is absolutely true, *however the inverse is also true*

how alcohol effects people is on a highly individual basis. It's extremely poorly understood even when put in comparison to how other drugs influence the body.

Personally, I don't drink it at all, when I get tipsy, I loose all semblance of physical restraint and break a lot of things on accident, and I have extremely poor self control, so I just simply don't touch alcohol anymore. But when my family is sick, I often make them drinks with a shot of vodka or some kind of whiskey as it absolutely helps remedy the symptoms, and seems to increase recovery from said sickness.

my favourite blend is one mug of hot chocolate, 1tbps of honey, and a half shot of vodka

Yeah but there is also the theoretical knowledge

You don't even need to do experimenting for that

That's why we need meta-analysis with systematic review and proper models & theoretical background.

The consensus is that it decreases cognitive abilities, it's toxic to the human liver, can't be digested by the human body but broken down and extracted.

Your claim that "for every study that says it effects something badly, there is a study that says the exact opposite" misrepresents the current state of research. The scientific consensus has shifted significantly in recent years toward recognizing that even moderate alcohol consumption poses cognitive risks.

For example one of the studies you linked: - Cross-sectional design (can't establish causation) - Potential survivor bias (those most negatively affected by alcohol may have died or been too impaired to participate) - Failure to adequately control for socioeconomic confounders

The Norwegian study: This actually shows correlation between cognitive ability and drinking behaviors, not that drinking improves cognition. The researchers themselves note this distinction carefully.

The Whitehall II Study is from 2004, and much more comprehensive research has emerged since then. Modern meta-analyses with larger sample sizes have superseded these findings.

Ethanol works as an NMDA receptor antagonist and also boosts GABA neurotransmission, which creates an inhibitory effect on CNS function. When you're exposed to something for a long time, your body tries to adapt by increasing the activity of the receptors. But when you suddenly stop, it can lead to some pretty serious problems, like excess excitatory signals in the brain during withdrawal and lasting neuronal loss in areas like the hippocampus and prefrontal cortex.

On the other hand, ethanol metabolism by alcohol dehydrogenase produces acetaldehyde, a highly reactive compound that forms protein adducts, damages mitochondrial DNA, and depletes glutathione.

It increases free radical production while impairing antioxidant defense systems, leading to endothelial dysfunction. This is an extremely important co-factor for cardiovascular problems and diseases in general.

It directly damages enterocyte tight junctions (intestine barriers)

There are probably tons of more because it's literally a toxic matter for humans.

Interesting mix by the way, I need to try 😁

Doesn't it become too sweet?

The Hotshotlate

for some people, personally I find it fine and really like it, but a lot of people do find it a bit on the sweet side, you can always replace the hot chocolate with cocoa too tho

agreed, but in the end, im not sure we will get too much out of it due to how all over the place everything is

Yeah, botox can be very dangerous even in small amounts too. But at least plastic won't appear in our food if we stop adding it to our food (and don't put hot food into plastic containers that melt and leech plasticizers into our food)

Trace amounts of alcohol have probably no effect on the body at all below a certain level

Like from kombucha or yoghurt etc

1-2% abv is essentially non-alcoholic

2% abv is definitely alcoholic. it can be tasted in these quantities

high enough that those who shouldn't consume alcohol (e.g. pregnant or breastfeeding) shouldn't have it

Here alcohol free is 0.05% or under

Maybe the threshold is closer to 1%

That's ridiculous though. It's difficult to avoid naturally occurring alcohol in foods at that level. Fermented foods often have over 0.5%

like raw vinegar

Well we don't label it as 'alcohol free vinegar' so it doesn't have to be

0.5% is the threshold in the USA and people are trying to change it because it's stupid

It means people have to get a liquor license and tax to sell kombucha for example. Either that or they can't sell it raw and unfiltered anymore.

The same with zero calories here, it's literal. If it has 5 calories, it's not zero and can't be marketed as such

Negligible amounts of alcohol can build up in the bottle over time in a warm environment... since it's still alive and doesn't have access to oxygen.

That doesn't mean it should be regulated and taxed like an alcoholic beverage

It's not meant to be alcoholic and the formula is not designed to produce an alcoholic product

I'm pretty sure we have a distinction between alcohol free, regular, and alcoholic. Just so you're aware of what you're buying, and aren't being misled

But it's unavoidable when any fermented product is in a low-oxygen environment for a long period at a warm temperature. Bottled kombucha is supposed to be stored and served cold

Yeah, 0.05% is alcohol free, 0.5% low alcohol and 1.2% is alcoholic

What is 0.5-1.2% range called?

Probably low or nothing, it only has to be labelled at 1.2% or higher

You just can't label anything as lower than it's content. So you don't accidentally have more alcohol than you realise

wait what? really?

people are trying to change it?

Yep, because basically GT's brand kombucha had to be pulled from the shelves. They were getting popular and successful and a whole bunch of poor quality imitators appeared on the market trying to sell an inferior imitation. And I guess they got buttmad that they couldn't compete with GT's so someone reported them for having more than 0.5% alcohol in some of their bottles and the ATF came down hard on them

Somehow the inferior clones and imitators were immune to the crackdown and only GT's was affected.

Probably because the others weren't as raw and unfiltered as advertised

lmao

I'm actually building a GPT Image corpus for JXL

Yea, I kinda shared a BBC censored video about Gaza for people to see - Although a Zionist, I don't agree to censorship. And really don't see anything wrong with it, I think people have gone way overboard on it being Chamas Propaganda. So I posted a link to it on yt-dlp and got banned.

Yea I actually thought I had been banned, although.... there was one place I was muted for 24 hours, and kinda might have left because of that. But can't remember the place where it happened.

Yea thanks for that, I do wonder if I could compile the AVIF by myself now with the same instructions as the JPEG. I am not on my main Linux system dongle, so..... I have the instructions for when I get over there. Although I do have the compiled files, but just to see if I can.

Yea.... I get the trolling a lot.... No, I am just a Protestant, and sadly we don't have that many around any longer.

I believe you have sincerely held beliefs yet, like many obsessive types, you lack the social sensitivity to express yourself in a non-disruptive way. I think you upset a lot of people here. You have to be mindful not to come off aggressively or judgemental/condemning of others.

I don't mind any extreme opinions even they are scientifically unsound or I strongly disagree with them. The only thing I ask is to respect all humans regardless of their skin color, gender, sexual orientation, etc. If you cannot do that, I will kindly show you the door (and kindly shove you through it too, if needed). Thanks for understanding.

We're here to talk compression, not politics (Even if they come close sometimes)

Well in <#806898911091753051> it doesn't need to be on topic, but it still needs to be respectful.

oh they're back ....

wow, the new pope is an american https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Leo_XIV

Thought it was Joe Biden for a second

>from Chicago please tell me he has a deep accent.

Papapamericano

> The new Pope has a degree in mathematics from Villanova University. > This guy doesn’t just understand sin. He understands cos.

I asked Gemini for a report on headless guitars and it titled it “The Headless Revolution”

[av1_kekw](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/758892021191934033.webp?size=48&name=av1_kekw)

https://tenor.com/view/vine-so-no-head-angry-mad-throw-phone-gif-16162067

insert joke about cardinal numbers

or "God forgives sin cuz its just a phase"

Ah, the Pope. The best example of how religion and government are exactly the same thing. The worship and consecration of authority figures.

Or this

erm, there are a few differences between religion and government

I wish I knew what they are 😂

No difference in North Korea

Either way you have to have a lot of faith and belief to fall for the swindle

People defend the righteousness and authority of their own enslavement just like they defend their fake God

(To be clear, I am no atheist, but I do not believe in religion.)

This is analysed as generated by 4o (formally GPT Image 1)

for one thing, a central person with all the authority is not a necessary property of a government – look at Switzerland (one could argue that it’s also not a necessary feature of religion, but it seems we were focusing specifically on religions where it is the case)

Authority does not need to be consolidated into a single individual, but it can still be consolidated and it can still be worshipped even when spread across an elite corps of well-connected plutocrats.

it can, but it doesn’t have to be

But people always worship and defend it all the same...

if you mean that some governments have an element of faith behind them, I guess I can get behind that – but that’s a bit different from “religion and government are exactly the same”

It's too distressing for people to think that the authority figures they trust and respect and give complete control of their life to, obtained that authority by looking out for themselves and their own interests only. And that they only pretend to care about yours in fake overtures designed to justify your dependence on them and their authority.

Trump posted this one himself lmao

Yeah I directly downloaded from his Truth Social account

When people will defend and justify their need to be dominated and abused by the obscenely wealthy and well connected oligarchs and feudal guild lords, because they are afraid and unsafe without Master soothingly assuring them everything is under control, then yeah that's no different than a religious belief system...

but, again, that’s not a necessary property of governments

Could have fooled me!

It seems that way everywhere.

I'm not sure about the specifics of Switzerlands but I doubt it's much different than the rest of the world

Utter human humiliation and enslavement is the global standard 😂

Switzerland is the first picture in the wikipedia article on direct democracy

it’s famous for that

Democracy, ha.

A psychological trick so you feel Invested in the game of your own subjugation. And a good replacement for the "divine mandate" of the leaders.

that sounds like bulverism

Their divine right to rule is from the "free and fair election" they contrived for you. So everything they do to you afterward is justified and "consensual"

who is “they”? do you know what “direct” democracy means?

“a form of democracy in which the electorate directly decides on policy initiatives, without elected representatives as proxies, as opposed to the representative democracy model which occurs in the majority of established democracies”

Politicians and legislators and their judges and corporate owners. And yes, direct democracy is when the public votes on measures and proposals, like what we have in California.

But the outcome of such ballot measures is easily overturned or ignored by politicians and judges whenever the results are not to their liking. And you still have politicians even in a "direct democracy"

It changes little

You still have representative democracy. And a majority vote doesn't make it okay to take even a single person's rights away with an unjust law

Majority rule is still a magical construct of authority for people to irrationally worship and shut down the logic centers of their brain. Just like religion.

surely, you’re not saying that a few select people should hold the power instead

I think power needs to be checked because absolute power corrupts. Direct democracy has never been a good solution for keeping power in check.

The ancient Greeks knew about the failure and ridiculousness of direct democracy. Direct democracy condemned Socrates to death.

Democracy was basically a derogatory word among the Greek sages. Like "oligarchy" or "plutocracy"

The Antichrist

ok

thank you jesusgod-pope666

I mean the Vatican has always been a cartoonishly evil organization. I never understood why people even give it the time of day.

They are like cartoon comic book villains

The Injustice League

Like throughout history

Committing genocide multiple times, rape and child abuse, putting Galileo under house arrest...

Why people even revere or care about them is beyond me

AMD Cleanup Utility .exe

this is just amazing nothing. taking up 20% of the program size. amd well done

Maybe amd needs to run amd cleanup utility on the amd cleanup utility binary

<:Stonks:806137886726553651>

./crinkler amdcleanuputility.exe

What do the colors map to? I assume white is nothing or long repetitions of bytes

same in fv https://mattmahoney.net/dc/textdata.html https://discord.com/channels/794206087879852103/806898911091753051/1352307982872088609 https://discord.com/channels/794206087879852103/806898911091753051/1352113863478214716 https://discord.com/channels/794206087879852103/806898911091753051/1352101525786460222

from left to right is the file itself, from beginning to end from bottom to top is the occurrence of identical bytes in the file. 1 by 2 by 4 by 8 bytes

if the bytes match in the previous piece, it is painted over, depending on when the match occurred. I simply call it - a spectrogram of the file, information

I still don’t quite understand, what can you tell from looking at the image

It's surprising that I haven't come across this program before. But it was always right under my nose, at https://www.mattmahoney.net/dc/text.html in first link

in any case, I'm glad that I rewrote it in python with significant extensions

information density

this means that there is no information. the previous byte is identical to the current one, and this goes very, very many sub-yards

This is what a compressed archive looks like. Information is equal to white noise.

.jar file

the structure is visible, but it is clear that the fact is that it is an archive

busybox (end of file)

It is very difficult to find a beautiful and attractive "Information structure", so I almost never do it. Still, some look good.

so hang on, each vertical strip is a byte in the original file?

or is it the other way round

at causes the decreasing in length bars

the color on top means that in this place (horizontally) there is a byte that was already in the past, the height shows how long ago.

color black means 1 byte match color red means 2 bytes in a row match color green means 4 bytes in a row color blue means 8 bytes in a row match

we are hiring an AI researcher -- shorturl.at/xdswe

here is a linear scale, maybe it is clearer

Time for JXL AI

AI assisted MA trees were a frequent topic of discussion, as one of the most complex but rewarding problems to solve

Av2 beaten jxl.

I prefer hevc

Av2

Jpg

Av2 is still at the standardization stages

Look at that exceptional sharpness

Is there a jxl version of this at same quality without a recompression?

Still 99.9%

I always chuckle when I find stuff like this

Now that's the face of someone I would not leave a child alone with

Damn what a face

If you downscale the ai generated, does it make it harder for the algorithm to tell it was ai generated? What if you use AI upscaling on a non-AI-generated picture?

I think Mohammadans will go on hating, cursing and wanting another holocaust of the Jews - while blaming the Jews for their own suffering after sending a multitude of rockets and committed terror attacks against them. The idea is to never let the Jews feel peace or safety and getting the entire world against them. I will curse those who curse you, and bless those who bless you. Seems to be in effect over and over again and seemed very well to be true. Go against Israel and you set yourself up for death and destruction.

Like you can't talk to the Mohammadans, they have intense hatred against the Jews, while they might try to hide it - that is what they grow up with.

I think you're missing "I think" at the start of that, otherwise we're serving up a ban for breakfast

Generalizing any statement to apply to 1.9 billion Muslims (or to 16 million Jews, for that matter) is crazy. In any religion, there are some extremist fundamentalists and a bunch of regular people who just want to live in peace. There is no substantial difference between Islam, Christianity, and Jewry in that regard.

A fact: mine is upscaled by myself already, and images generated by GPT Image 1 are already upscaled too

Yes but you didn't answer either of my two questions

Let me try

If you downscale it does it throw off the ai detection?

Being shrunk to 512 * 512 px is still ranked 99.9% AI-generated

Oh wow, I didn't expect that

And it didn't even find that there are actually several tiny non-AI parts

What about upscaling a non-ai-generated picture

With an ai upscaler

Would that trigger it?

Is ML Super Resolution from Pixelmator Pro an AI upscaler?

I needed this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ijojj3FsuE

Seems I lost a word in my writing. sometimes it slips.

https://youtu.be/qcWwq26ehe0

No one knows less about God and Jesus than the pious faithful

The age of Osiris is at an end.

this should be a ban, seriously – this isn't just friendly discourse, this is highly charged conversation

But in some religions, even those people who wants to live in peace justify their extremist's actions if extremists belongs to their religion or they just straight up play victim card.

Tribalism and identity are just shallow trappings of the ego.

Religion is often just a façade for generic xenophobia / chauvenism / nationalism

Israel-Palestine is as much about a clash between Islam and Jewry as Northern Ireland was about a clash between Protestantism and Catholicism. It's not the main actual issue.

I just got the most beautiful description of the apostate law from a Mohammadan. You see if someone Apostasises into Christianity, if we don't murder him more will just follow..... Ha ha ha. perfect! Exactly..... At least he was honest about his filthy religion of Satan.

The Truth should always be proclaimed in a society and be accepted - if it is not - only darkness is left.

Mohammadanism can't live with a Jewish nation in the Middle east, it ruins their dominance and claim that whatever they have formerly conquered is rightly theirs - which is one reason Spain have to be careful.

Overall, anyone should know the truth about this filthy religion of Mohammadanism, to not fall victim of it.

The Mohammadans really care less about a state, but if there is one, it has to be run by Mohammadans and not Jews.

If you go on being silenced while the Mohammadans take over the westen nations and think it will do well for future generations - handing them over to Mohammadanism is a great evil in itself, or for that matter Roman Catholicism.

Jehovah is not the Devil, and to proclaim such rubbish is utter madness.

But this is where we are as in our modern times of the zeitgeist spirit of the Devil.

As Mr. Terry did his research, he learned that no movie had ever been created utilizing the “sacred texts” of Islam regarding the life of Muhammad. Hence, Muhammad in His Own Words; The Founder of Islam Speaks was conceived. As might be expected, Mr. Terry has been subjected to multiple death threats as a result of this project. Also, Facebook has canceled the movie’s account, and YouTube is threatening to cancel the movie’s channel.

hm, too many sweeping discriminatory remarks, I've given sufficient warnings, it's time for a ban...

<:BanHammer:805396864639565834>

yeah, he's a little crazy 💀 detached from reality

i'm in the jpeg xl discord for the plot

I don't really like to ban people if it can be avoided. Trying a dialogue instead to challenge some of their backwards views — getting instant-banned just reinforces them in their conspiracy theories... But this person didn't seem very open for any real dialogue, and just was looking for a platform for hate rants.

I think you made the right decision

reform is necessary, but depending on the type of community and how much its members want to put up with that, it's totally fair to remove someone. not like you sent them to prison, just removed them from the chatroom. I wouldn't worry too much about it 😅

*technically* probably

He was sent to the jxl gulag where he is forced to submit pull requests in order to earn scraps of mouldy bread and tap water

He will be released when he is rehabilitated and truly believes in the progressive-decode ideals of JXL

Ironically, I'm the one who closed around 100 issues and started submitting pull requests, to fix progressive encoding xD

https://discord.com/channels/794206087879852103/805176455658733570/1371741887089741975 Maybe better to take this here

"people's natural choices": I think much of human behavior is cultural, not natural. Our culture has not been purely meritocratic historically and still isn't. E.g. it's not that long ago that women were excluded from academia anywhere, just because of their sex. So just continuing the "natural choices" might end up propagating pre-existing cultural biases.

"People's natural choices" are often subconsciously discriminatory/biased

There are studies showing this

Is operating under a true meritocracy possible? Despite our flaws in judgement?

I don't think pure meritocracy is desirable either. Less talented people also have rights and should be able to have a nice life too.

they can be for sure, but we shouldn't discount non-cultural factors either. But also, should we try to remove cultural biases? If there is no meaningful negative effect of a cultural influence, I think it is far more harmful to try and remove said factor from someone's life in order to artificially push diversity But even if we flip it on it's head, sometimes there are simply biological limitations that prevent natural diversity. Sports is an excellent example of this. Not even talking about gender here, but ethnicity has a heavy influence on how the body develops which is why you often see specific ethnic groups of people dominating specific sports. This can also play into cultural biases

I think this is important to separate from diversity. We can push for more people to have meaningful and satisfactory employment without needing to push for diversity in specific areas of interest. I believe having meaningful jobs to be a much more important factor then diversity in specific areas

I hesitate to use the term "job satisfaction" here as I don't think job satisfaction is necessarily a good thing as contentment doesn't necessarily make something meaningful

I think equity and inclusion are fundamental ethical values; diversity is somewhat different and not something that should be considered a goal or core value on its own. In some contexts, I do think diversity is important to have a better chance at covering multiple perspectives and concerns and avoiding systemic bias, e.g. in the composition of policy-defining institutions such as politics, justice, company boards etc. There I do think it is beneficial to ensure that policy makers are representative of all humans including minority groups. That is, having multiple perspectives present in such bodies actually makes them better. In other contexts, I think diversity is not something to specifically aim for, besides to the extent that it is implied by equity and inclusion.

I think making hiring choices on the basis of skin color and codifying that as a policy is textbook racism and discrimination that most people want to fight against.

I think there's a fringe that want to fight racism by instituting racist policies in order to "counterbalance" existing racism supposed to be systemic.

Like "fight racism with more racism" kinda logic

Probably most people think that's as ridiculous as it sounds, but I don't know. I don't talk about this sort of thing often because it's political and a waste of my time.

So I don't know if it's actually a fringe idea or not

It sounds too dumb to be mainstream

Although "dumb" usually comes hand in hand with "mainstream..."

Anyways, is that what you guys are talking about w.r.t. DEI?

Or is it Decoding/Encoding Images? 😸

on the other hand, see: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/yCWPkLi8wJvewPbEp/the-noncentral-fallacy-the-worst-argument-in-the-world > **"Affirmative action is *racist*!"** True if you define racism as "favoring certain people based on their race", but once again, our immediate negative reaction to the archetypal example of racism (the Ku Klux Klan) cannot be generalized to an immediate negative reaction to affirmative action. Before we generalize it, we have to check first that the problems that make us hate the Ku Klux Klan (violence, humiliation, divisiveness, lack of a meritocratic society) are still there. Then, even if we do find that some of the problems persist (like disruption of meritocracy, for example) we have to prove that it doesn't produce benefits that outweigh these harms.

That argument wasn't prescient of 2020.

Of course we can generalize it, because we know that the very idea of punishing people for their immutable characteristics like race, sex, height, etc, things beyond their control, things that have no bearing on their suitability, we know that's an inherently unjust and poison fruit

We know it is a self fulfilling cycle that will continue to endlessly breed even more resentment and division in the future too

You can't destroy something by creating more of it

You have to break the cycle

the exact same argument applies to *not* doing affirmative action

the point *is* to break the cycle of imbalance

this is kind of question-begging

'Swapping the sign' on the discrimination until the historical discrimination is compensated produces faster results than slowly converging towards no discrimination, but it does lead to the perception that someone gets a job (or whatever it is) just because they happen to belong to a minority whose box still needed to be checked — which is not great for the self-esteem of the one who 'benefits' from it, and also can amplify rather than reduce the problem (i.e. some people might become more racist/sexist/... as a result of this). It may in some cases be necessary to create new 'role models' to inspire people to overcome historical stereotypes, but I don't think this can be forced.

There are some structural things that can be done, like requiring a CV (résumé) to contain only information about relevant skills/experiences, not about things that shouldn't matter anyway and that can only introduce bias.

so like preventing discrimination of any kind to appear?

that's not possible in general, but it doesn't make sense to include information in a decision process if it is irrelevant, yet I still see application forms etc that have such fields, and it is generally still expected that a curriculum vitae includes all kinds of personal details that can only trigger biases (in one direction or the other)

ive seen forms that include things like "what ethnicity was your grandparent" and im like "why is that needed"

Yes, and that's something relatively easy to fix. You'll still potentially have discrimination happening at the actual job interview (when it becomes impossible to hide things like skin color or sex), but at least you don't get biased pre-selection processes...