JPEG XL

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off-topic

fab
2021-08-12 01:38:56
So if is needed or you use in python or you make mandatory for everyone win macos Linux
2021-08-12 01:39:28
Like is written is reddit AMA jon sneyers
2021-08-12 01:40:12
Jxl already confuses me with vardct modular or lossy lossless
2021-08-12 01:40:54
People should Not see in the software tab jxl is installed or is autoupdating
2021-08-12 01:41:06
It should be simple
2021-08-12 01:41:31
Or better not
2021-08-12 01:42:42
Jxl is a component a library it has no sense in software tab
2021-08-12 01:43:11
Control panel is outdated concept
2021-08-12 01:46:10
Also octect stream should Not be only thing displayed i want vardct modular tags for lossy lossless and tags and image resolution framerate
2021-08-12 01:46:21
Framerate would be good
2021-08-12 01:46:45
Is a modern format it isnt only the simple GUI
2021-08-12 01:47:02
support should be expanded
Scope
2021-08-12 01:53:35
> Valve’s handheld can theoretically produce up to 8K resolutions at 60Hz or 4K at up to 120Hz
diskorduser
2021-08-12 02:38:02
Yeah I know but I don't like anything below 300 ppi on handheld devices. Too much pixelated to my eyes.
improver
2021-08-12 03:03:14
did they just cheaped out on display if they can do 4K 120Hz lol
diskorduser
2021-08-12 03:03:58
Theoretical 8k
2021-08-12 03:04:48
Good for running office apps
improver
2021-08-12 03:05:00
i mean yeah that'd probably not perform very well with games but maybe 1080p would be still fine with hardware capable of that?
diskorduser
2021-08-12 03:05:51
I think people try to run high end games at 1080p and they get disappointed
Scope
2021-08-12 03:12:22
This is mainly for price, performance and power consumption, otherwise they would have to make the Deck much bigger and heavier, with a bigger battery and a more expensive total cost And for 720/800p resolution they can achieve good performance for most games, it is also easier to make a very balanced device, for an external display with line power a higher resolution may be useful for something like working in a browser or watching videos
Crixis
2021-08-13 12:31:36
I have preorder it
veluca
2021-08-13 02:07:32
I already have enough many computers xD
190n
2021-08-13 05:16:03
i made a reservation, no idea if i'll end up buying it tho :P
improver
2021-08-13 09:05:01
spider-mario
2021-08-13 01:19:31
https://twitter.com/qrs/status/1425364831293616137
improver
2021-08-13 02:00:42
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkaoRO3_6Ds
diskorduser
improver
2021-08-13 03:23:55
Is it your drawing?
2021-08-13 03:26:00
Oh it's from internet
improver
diskorduser Is it your drawing?
2021-08-13 03:29:31
it's by https://twitter.com/auksechan
diskorduser
2021-08-13 03:39:59
https://youtu.be/oPDJBk8Mmv4
improver
2021-08-13 03:54:00
pata pata
2021-08-13 04:07:01
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeHb3SIgD9k
diskorduser
2021-08-13 04:32:35
W t h . Is it a ~~drug~~ weed simulator?
2021-08-13 05:51:19
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/442006743375937547/875629441894739968/IMG_20210813_083831.jpg
improver
diskorduser W t h . Is it a ~~drug~~ weed simulator?
2021-08-13 07:46:11
yeongrak (one who did video) and nekophiliac (neatpop) have some of the most deep fermented art styles tbh
2021-08-13 07:46:48
https://yeongrak.tumblr.com/
2021-08-13 11:41:09
idk I seem to be able to do it fine. meanwhile i hate reddit lol
Some1NamedNate
2021-08-14 05:41:32
https://merc.li/urJrdDKpb
lithium
2021-08-14 07:51:05
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IGTiFuDjTI
diskorduser
2021-08-15 10:20:16
improver
2021-08-15 09:14:26
evangelion 3.0+1.0 was good
diskorduser
2021-08-18 11:01:36
The monitor color profile, which one is better to use? icc from edid and one from windows driver package have different values.
2021-08-18 11:02:12
left- edid . right from driver package
2021-08-18 11:02:13
2021-08-18 11:03:03
they have different gamma values
w
2021-08-18 11:04:33
you use the one you actually targeted to profile
2021-08-18 11:05:25
gamma is entirely subjective (based on your viewing environment)
2021-08-18 11:05:46
but the recommended starting point for video is 2.4 bt 1886
2021-08-18 11:11:40
but what even are these? if they dont come from *you*
diskorduser
w but what even are these? if they dont come from *you*
2021-08-18 11:17:04
idk. I'm just confused because they have different gamma values
w
2021-08-18 11:17:21
like if you didnt make them yourself i wouldnt use either
diskorduser
2021-08-18 11:18:34
I don't have color calibration instrument.
2021-08-18 11:21:02
I don't want accurate color. I see banding on blur effects when using linux. but they go away on windows.
2021-08-18 11:21:15
someone on reddit said it's related to gamma
w
2021-08-18 11:21:36
the problem with using pre-created icc profiles is that they are 100% not a profile of the specific panel you have. Also panels themselves drift over time. If you dont have a colorimeter, it may be better to just adjust manually to some other reference you have like your phone.
2021-08-18 11:21:44
for that, i would recommend manually adjusting using http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/gamma_calibration.php
2021-08-18 11:21:57
and both the black level and white saturation pages aswell
diskorduser
2021-08-18 11:23:06
on my monitor manual, they said panels are factory calibrated and values are emded in edid
w
2021-08-18 11:23:11
but if you're uncalibrated, i doubt it would be gamma that would be different on each OS
2021-08-18 11:24:37
not sure how well factory calibrated would work, since it also requires you change your monitor settings (from the osd) to what it was calibrated with
2021-08-18 11:24:54
it's usually an srgb mode, but you obviously dont want srgb mode
diskorduser
w for that, i would recommend manually adjusting using http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/gamma_calibration.php
2021-08-18 11:25:05
I will try using this
w the problem with using pre-created icc profiles is that they are 100% not a profile of the specific panel you have. Also panels themselves drift over time. If you dont have a colorimeter, it may be better to just adjust manually to some other reference you have like your phone.
2021-08-18 11:25:40
how can I use phone for color calibration?
w
2021-08-18 11:26:13
i really mean any other display, since the main idea outside of accurate colours is to just make them look the same
2021-08-18 11:27:23
but i find that higher end phones tend to have closer to accurate d65 whitepoint
diskorduser
2021-08-18 11:28:03
On my phone display review, they say it has average deltaE of 1.0. Is it good enough for that purpose?
w
2021-08-18 11:28:25
it's good enough if you accept the colours of your phone display
diskorduser
2021-08-18 11:29:19
Actually my monitor's color look good enough (natural color) but I just want to fix banding effects
w
2021-08-18 11:29:59
if it looks good in windows, but not on linux, the first thing i would think of would be the graphics driver/renderer
diskorduser
2021-08-18 11:31:59
Do you use KDE?
w
2021-08-18 11:32:08
i use windows for my desktop
2021-08-18 11:32:28
or maybe on the linux os, it is using the icc profile from the embedded edid, but the video card gamma table is messed up
2021-08-18 11:36:37
do you know if the linux os has some icc profile enabled? where there is banding
diskorduser
2021-08-18 11:42:21
It's using emded icc. If I try to import the one from driver package, it shows some error.
w
2021-08-18 11:42:41
is the banding noticable if you disable the icc?
spider-mario
2021-08-18 11:51:26
where are you seeing banding effects?
2021-08-18 11:51:55
if it’s outside of a color-managed application, it’s doubtful that an ICC profile would change anything at all
diskorduser
2021-08-18 11:52:20
UI blur effects
spider-mario
2021-08-18 11:53:47
an ICC profile has no intrinsic effect (although some also contain GPU calibration data which is automatically applied by some loaders, but yours probably don’t), all it does is tell applications that look at it how colors will look (and from that, how to get a desired color)
2021-08-18 11:53:59
but applications have to actually look at it and use its information for that
w
2021-08-18 11:54:06
there's still the vcgt
spider-mario
2021-08-18 11:54:12
yeah, that was my parenthesis
w
2021-08-18 11:54:19
right
diskorduser
2021-08-18 11:56:11
Could it be windows blur effects are optimized to remove banding
w
2021-08-18 11:56:43
you mean the opposite, optimized for performance?
2021-08-18 11:56:51
not uncommon
2021-08-18 11:57:26
although are you getting the banding anwhere else other than the ui blur effects?
diskorduser
2021-08-18 11:57:46
Photos and videos look fine
fab
2021-08-18 01:57:38
you can do at lower tone, just write in a server and read with the voice
2021-08-18 02:51:06
i don't know a person said to me discord hasn't any voice integrated, it should use system voice
diskorduser
2021-08-18 02:52:35
NVM. I will probably troubleshoot it later.
2021-08-18 02:52:56
What is that
fab
diskorduser What is that
2021-08-18 03:16:32
a problem i had with windows 7
2021-08-18 03:16:34
what could be
2021-08-18 03:16:48
is microsoft anna in windows 7
diskorduser
2021-08-18 04:53:32
Don't use windows7. Use windows XP.
improver
2021-08-18 05:42:32
this. that's the only viable solution
diskorduser
w is the banding noticable if you disable the icc?
2021-08-19 01:52:17
I see wood like patterns without icc
w
2021-08-19 01:53:14
🤔
diskorduser
2021-08-19 02:01:11
I see less patterns when running on limited RGB ( tv range ) but colors look off or dull.
2021-08-19 02:02:24
I think the only way for me to fix these problems is by buying a colorimeter or something 🥲
w
2021-08-19 02:16:08
this seems like something else entirely
diskorduser
2021-08-19 08:30:36
I'm using full range in monitor settings
improver
2021-08-19 10:00:55
could be kde compositor doing blur stuff at low quality tbh
spider-mario
2021-08-19 10:02:25
yes, that seems like the most plausible explanation to me
2021-08-19 10:03:12
having a colorimeter is very nice but I don’t think it will do anything for this specific problem
diskorduser
2021-08-19 10:25:06
Now, they (KDE) are implementing something on blurring algorithm. I have to wait and see if it fixes that
2021-08-19 10:25:20
https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kwin/-/merge_requests/1150
spider-mario
2021-08-19 06:34:06
https://youtu.be/kDzZva8crAE I have listened to this so much over the past year
2021-08-19 06:34:14
I really love the guitar arpeggi in the last ~third
diskorduser
2021-08-20 11:03:01
Is it something related to apple?
2021-08-20 02:01:31
<@231040547429548032> sorry for the ping. But I just wanted ask. Why does noise look different in xorg and in wayland. It looks good on Wayland
2021-08-20 02:06:30
same blur and noise settings.
2021-08-20 02:06:30
ishitatsuyuki
2021-08-20 02:11:36
<@!263309374775230465> because I use a code path that is only implemented for Wayland
2021-08-20 02:12:00
also screenshots doesn't work in my patch as I told you
diskorduser
ishitatsuyuki <@!263309374775230465> because I use a code path that is only implemented for Wayland
2021-08-20 02:12:05
I didn't use your code.
ishitatsuyuki
2021-08-20 02:12:11
what lol
diskorduser
2021-08-20 02:12:12
It's unmodified kwin
ishitatsuyuki
2021-08-20 02:12:20
maybe it implemented scaling wrong
diskorduser
2021-08-20 02:12:32
From arch linux repos. I don't use scaling
ishitatsuyuki
2021-08-20 02:17:38
hmm. actually it might be not using srgb framebuffers for Wayland
diskorduser
2021-08-20 02:18:53
Is it considered a bug or different implementation? It looks nice on Wayland though
ishitatsuyuki
2021-08-20 02:21:50
it makes blur look darker (which is bad), makes shadow look darker (which is just artificial choice), but as a side effect makes noise more consistent
diskorduser
2021-08-20 02:25:43
Should I file a bug?
ishitatsuyuki
2021-08-20 02:28:19
maybe
_wb_
2021-08-21 01:07:33
2021-08-21 01:08:23
For me the contrast looks OKish, but in your screenshot it looks different
2021-08-21 01:08:32
Do you have dark mode or light mode?
improver
2021-08-21 01:09:23
contrast looks too dark here too
2021-08-21 01:10:02
its the same in dedicated discord app too
2021-08-21 01:10:18
and on phone aswell
_wb_
2021-08-21 01:10:32
Let me play a bit with the colors
2021-08-21 01:11:32
Strange that fixer is darker than catcher for you
Scope
2021-08-21 01:11:40
_wb_
2021-08-21 01:11:52
<@&878593549946486804> <@&878593759749746699>
Scope
2021-08-21 01:12:07
_wb_
2021-08-21 01:12:27
It uses the same color in bright and dark mode?
2021-08-21 01:13:01
2021-08-21 01:13:17
This is very confusing
improver
2021-08-21 06:52:48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0iZ2S4HOnY
Justin
2021-08-21 09:19:01
I'm currently creating the UI of the converter. Is anything of the "brand" exclusive and shouldn't/can't be used? Like the the JPEGXL logo or the blue color/shade that comes with it? https://jpeg.org/jpegxl/
_wb_
2021-08-21 09:26:16
I don't really know, but I think as long as you don't make it look like you officially represent the official JPEG committee, I think it's ok.
Deleted User
2021-08-21 09:33:30
Is there any 8 Bit color that is copyright protected? <:Thonk:805904896879493180>
Justin
Is there any 8 Bit color that is copyright protected? <:Thonk:805904896879493180>
2021-08-21 09:36:31
T-mobile claims that they own Magenta and German courts even said they do. It's stupid..
_wb_ I don't really know, but I think as long as you don't make it look like you officially represent the official JPEG committee, I think it's ok.
2021-08-21 09:36:54
Thought so, makes sense to me. 🙂
Deleted User
2021-08-21 09:53:52
You can always use the official libjxl logo to be on the save side:
2021-08-21 09:53:56
<:Xjxl:822166843313225758>
2021-08-21 09:54:08
... 😁
Justin
2021-08-22 06:17:41
😁 oficiel lougo
_wb_
2021-08-22 06:32:13
<:JXL:805850130203934781>
2021-08-22 06:32:23
is CC0
2021-08-22 06:32:34
<:JPEG_XL:805860709039865937>
2021-08-22 06:33:46
is CC-BY-ND iirc (JPEG owns it and doesn't want others to derive other logos from it)
2021-08-22 06:33:59
<:logo:829708783336816671>
2021-08-22 06:34:08
is CC0
lithium
2021-08-24 02:59:20
Genshin Impact 稲妻(いなずま, inazuma) Soundtrack. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5El1WIS_neE
_wb_
2021-08-24 07:35:14
2021-08-24 07:37:07
Those are 4 clever jokes
2021-08-24 07:37:18
Also quite a bit of generation loss
2021-08-24 07:41:50
"the dying gasp of wasps" was a bit obscure for me
2021-08-24 07:41:52
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Anglo-Saxon_Protestants
2021-08-26 10:09:13
"dark mode" on my phone apparently causes (some) images to get displayed in inverse color
2021-08-26 10:09:25
Which sometimes makes sense
2021-08-26 10:09:34
But sometimes it doesn't
2021-08-26 10:10:48
I tried checking in my daughter to the orthodontist appointment using some app they make us use for that
2021-08-26 10:11:00
It involves scanning a QR code that the app shows
2021-08-26 10:11:04
Didn't work
2021-08-26 10:11:18
Turns out the QR code was inverted
diskorduser
_wb_ "dark mode" on my phone apparently causes (some) images to get displayed in inverse color
2021-08-26 12:14:42
Miui?
_wb_
2021-08-26 12:54:57
Yes
nathanielcwm
_wb_ Turns out the QR code was inverted
2021-08-26 12:54:59
shouldn't that still work though? but a black qr code with a white background is admittedly a lot easier to scan afaik
_wb_
2021-08-26 12:55:55
Nah, looks like inverted doesn't work.
2021-08-26 01:13:49
(inverted barcodes also don't work, it really needs the brighter stripes/squares to be brighter than the dark ones)
fab
2021-08-26 01:40:14
I have now mi11 lite 5g no good video and audio also not good in earphones
2021-08-26 01:40:31
Ok for RAW photo
2021-08-26 01:41:15
I used a 25 August 2021 14:00 build of libjxl with custom settings
2021-08-26 01:41:47
Also no screenshot in PNG there Is banding
2021-08-26 01:41:59
Maybe i Will send
2021-08-26 01:42:15
And Also no automatic hz
2021-08-26 01:42:45
Display and selfie arent adaptable
2021-08-26 01:43:23
It easily go from 68 to 58 without High brightnesa
2021-08-26 01:44:02
2021-08-26 01:44:35
4g+ Is 100 mbps and 22 mbps upload everywhere
2021-08-26 01:45:05
Software and always on display are very limited in usage
2021-08-26 01:45:18
No adaptor for jack included
2021-08-26 01:45:45
No tampered glassa normal glassa bought 7.90
2021-08-26 01:46:10
Quality is a bit high for YouTube music
2021-08-26 01:46:17
In Instagram sucks
2021-08-26 01:46:41
But earphones are totally bad
2021-08-26 01:47:08
I guess It uses a qualcoom asp
2021-08-26 01:47:30
It forces to use Xiaomi Cloud account
2021-08-26 01:47:55
Is a bit difficult
2021-08-26 01:48:27
Ill Say something about software support
2021-08-26 01:48:57
English Is integrated by default on gboard keyboard
2021-08-26 01:49:21
But It doesnt even complete integrate
2021-08-26 01:50:10
No optical stabilzation
2021-08-26 01:51:14
Themes are shortcuts to Media player when i opened Maps It suggested Xiaomi place
diskorduser
2021-08-26 01:51:28
I always remove miui and flash AOSP roms as soon as I unlock the bootloader.
fab
2021-08-26 01:51:35
Where they produce chinese garbage
2021-08-26 01:52:27
Kiwi browser dont play av1 load packetized estensione or crx Chrome font changer
2021-08-26 01:52:42
It opened a crashed window
2021-08-26 01:53:02
Tachiyomi works
diskorduser
fab Where they produce chinese garbage
2021-08-26 01:53:09
I don't understand your rant. They are actually good device and mi series hardware quality is better for its price.
fab
2021-08-26 01:53:42
I have Tachiyomi/local/ Manga title / ch1
2021-08-26 01:53:49
ch2
2021-08-26 01:53:56
Ok
diskorduser I don't understand your rant. They are actually good device and mi series hardware quality is better for its price.
2021-08-26 01:54:47
I know but i paid 399 euros when a52 5g
2021-08-26 01:55:10
The sensor both are found in 210 euro phone
2021-08-26 01:55:29
It a cheap phone It isnt an iPhone
2021-08-26 01:55:44
It's max to me
2021-08-26 01:56:00
160 mm
2021-08-26 01:56:35
The width 75mm Is on My limig
2021-08-26 01:57:50
No 64 mpx raw
diskorduser
2021-08-26 01:58:04
You don't get 64mp raw on any phone.
fab
2021-08-26 01:58:04
HDR camera dont produce files
2021-08-26 01:58:09
Free dcam
2021-08-26 01:58:12
Is good
2021-08-26 01:58:34
You have raw options on back 0 and front 1
2021-08-26 01:58:50
5 mpx vs 16 mpx dng 16 bit
diskorduser
fab It forces to use Xiaomi Cloud account
2021-08-26 02:28:06
Remove stock and flash xiaomi.eu
Jyrki Alakuijala
2021-08-26 04:59:02
That's me! I did that 16 years ago -- my contributions to culture. My secret hope is to repeat that and build a sound installation at Zurich main train station in 15 years.
2021-08-26 09:44:45
I wrote the sound using C++
2021-08-26 09:45:10
it is just a four C++ linux programs that outputs a wav file
improver
2021-08-27 05:23:21
im back :>
diskorduser
2021-08-27 05:32:09
Hello back :>
improver
2021-08-28 02:46:56
https://soundcloud.com/y4ndere/falling-in-luvv
2021-08-28 03:18:13
BlueSwordM
improver im back :>
2021-08-28 05:07:01
Niiice 🙂
spider-mario
improver
2021-08-28 09:12:52
I had a recent dream related to concrete
2021-08-28 09:13:12
I wanted to make pizza but I had misplaced my rolling pin
2021-08-28 09:13:23
so I went and borrowed one from nearby construction work
2021-08-28 09:13:46
but on my way home with it, I realized that it would be covered with concrete, which wouldn’t be good for my pizza
2021-08-28 09:14:24
and I wasn’t sure the construction people would like it if I tried to clean it as I might damage it
2021-08-28 09:14:50
so I felt kind of stuck, but in the end I think I found my own rolling pin again
_wb_
2021-08-28 01:07:29
https://youtu.be/lseEzw_gHCM
2021-08-28 05:56:46
someone on reddit found an old tweet
2021-08-28 05:56:47
https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/pd80bm/or_and_hear_me_out_we_just_make_them_pay_taxes_on/
diskorduser
2021-08-29 08:26:38
https://youtu.be/gAYXFwBsKQ0
spider-mario
2021-08-29 08:32:17
for more on this, see: https://www.photonstophotos.net/Emil%20Martinec/noise-p3.html#pixelsize https://doi.org/10.1117/1.OE.57.11.110801 (section 4.3 “Signal-to-Noise Ratio”)
diskorduser
2021-08-29 02:24:26
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CTHHwnkDkyD/?utm_medium=copy_link
improver
2021-08-29 06:11:52
> Sorry, this page isn't available. > The link you followed may be broken, or the page may have been removed. Go back to Instagram. rip
diskorduser
2021-08-29 06:29:40
https://youtube.com/shorts/UEtuzSnXVbE?feature=share
2021-08-30 04:38:16
https://youtu.be/wOxIoFNfEsk
_wb_
2021-08-30 06:07:17
I went to the René Magritte museum yesterday, with the kids
improver
2021-08-30 10:59:44
diskorduser
improver
2021-08-30 01:17:16
Who's the artist
improver
diskorduser Who's the artist
2021-08-30 01:22:09
https://twitter.com/urct
_wb_
2021-08-30 07:19:47
I put my entire book on the website as a PDF: https://sneyers.info/boek/
Fox Wizard
2021-08-30 08:54:54
No optimized PDF <:cheems:720670067091570719>
2021-08-30 08:55:56
369, nice
Petr
nathanielcwm shouldn't that still work though? but a black qr code with a white background is admittedly a lot easier to scan afaik
2021-08-31 12:33:45
Inverted QR codes should work AFAIK.
nathanielcwm
2021-08-31 12:36:25
nice reply <:kekw:808717074305122316>
Fox Wizard
2021-09-03 08:31:38
I hate this: https://res.cloudinary.com/cloudinary-marketing/image/upload/f_auto,q_auto/v1617225947/creative_staging/cloudinary_internal/Website/Homepage/sandwich_video2.png
2021-09-03 08:32:02
It's a 20.3MB animated PNG on cloudinary's main page <:reecat:865200783293284393>
2021-09-03 08:32:51
Before they were showing that videos are more efficient than gifs and then they use that huge file <:cheems:720670067091570719>
2021-09-03 08:34:35
And I think a static jxl when browsers are jxl compatible, but at least it's only 25KB and it made the website load way faster for me
_wb_
2021-09-03 08:44:26
wait what?
2021-09-03 08:51:46
that's a 87 KB non-animated PNG for me
2021-09-03 08:53:05
when I wget it
2021-09-03 08:53:11
but you're right!
2021-09-03 08:53:28
😱
2021-09-03 08:53:33
on firefox it's a huge apng
Fox Wizard
2021-09-03 08:54:31
Yeah. Wondered why it loaded much faster on Chrome than firefox here and then noticed that <:cheems:720670067091570719>
2021-09-03 08:56:40
Gotta convince them to make it a video :p
w
2021-09-03 08:56:49
where do you see the size in firefox?
2021-09-03 08:57:59
🤔
Fox Wizard
2021-09-03 08:58:05
I downloaded it. It took long to load and wondered why. Only shows it without the jxl flag enabled though
2021-09-03 08:58:20
Otherwise it'll just show a static jxl instead of apng
_wb_
2021-09-03 08:58:33
animated jxl doesn't work yet in cloudinary
2021-09-03 08:58:44
otherwise you would have gotten an animated jxl
Fox Wizard
2021-09-03 08:58:54
New reason to enable jxl flag: Cloudinary website loads way faster <:bjorklul:854275441422893076>
w
2021-09-03 08:59:07
how does it know when to send me an apng
_wb_
2021-09-03 08:59:33
they made a mistake though in serving that video as an animated image though, I hope they'll fix that quickly
2021-09-03 09:00:21
it knows what format to send based on the `Accept` headers your browser sends
w
2021-09-03 09:00:28
:O
Fox Wizard
2021-09-03 09:00:56
Wait, apparently that apng has been on there for at least 2 weeks <a:DogeScared:821038589201612820>
2021-09-03 09:01:17
Gotta optimize their website for speed <a:FurretSpeed:832307660035850310>
_wb_
2021-09-03 09:02:08
so you can have a url like res.cloudinary.com/jon/f_auto/sample and by default it returns a JPEG but if you accept image/webp, it returns a WebP and if you accept image/j2k, it returns a JPEG 2000 and if you accept image/avif, it returns an AVIF and if you accept image/jxl, it returns a JPEG XL
Fox Wizard Gotta optimize their website for speed <a:FurretSpeed:832307660035850310>
2021-09-03 09:02:36
yeah
2021-09-03 09:03:06
https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-fish-slap-fight-gif-20337250
2021-09-03 09:03:21
that's me in the Cloudinary marketing slack channel right now
2021-09-03 09:03:41
(they don't move because they're in the US, haha)
Fox Wizard
2021-09-03 09:03:43
Wonder how much smaller it can be with jxl > webp > optimized png and with a video instead of that apng
2021-09-03 09:04:15
and maybe other formats if it'll make it smaller
2021-09-03 09:04:43
They use VP9 for the first 2 videos though <:Poggers:805392625934663710>
_wb_
2021-09-03 09:06:14
yeah it must be a mistake
Fox Wizard
2021-09-03 09:06:34
And lol. People irl told me that gifs are smaller and more efficient than video formats and that there's absolutely no reason to not use gifs...
2021-09-03 09:08:30
Because: "videos are always big and gifs are small" 😞
Fraetor
2021-09-03 09:13:04
For very short/low complexity a GIF could be smaller. But at that point the size is going to be pretty insignificant either way.
Fox Wizard
2021-09-03 09:14:01
Wonder if it'll actually be smaller than h.264 or VP9 though
Fraetor
2021-09-03 09:15:13
If it has a limited palette, then probably.
2021-09-03 09:15:45
But otherwise I suspect that H.264 would perform better due to better single frame encoding.
spider-mario
2021-09-03 09:16:08
what if you also reduce the palette of the video?
Fox Wizard
2021-09-03 09:16:41
Still kinda doubt it'll beat h.264 though
Fraetor
2021-09-03 09:16:44
I don't think H.264 has a palette mode. I don't know about VP9
Fox Wizard
2021-09-03 09:17:05
Someone should probably try it out
spider-mario
2021-09-03 09:17:13
it may still compress posterized images better
Fraetor
2021-09-03 09:17:15
Yeah, if it does ever beat it it would be ever so close.
2021-09-03 09:18:09
This kind of thing is why I wonder a little about why animation is included within JXL.
2021-09-03 09:18:38
As a proper video codec would usually be better, I would have thought.
Fox Wizard
2021-09-03 09:19:31
Guess it's nice to have an image format for basically everything, so it can hopefully completely replace jpg, png and gif
Fraetor
2021-09-03 09:20:48
I imagine that it was quite simple to add as well, as IIRC each frame is encoded as a separate image (or near enough).
2021-09-03 09:54:14
Is there a proper way of returning the canonical image? I know that often putting an invalid query string on the URL will return the original image.
Deleted User
2021-09-03 10:40:09
Look at those 3 logos in the top row!
2021-09-03 10:40:55
I don't know if it's Cloudinary encoder's fault or Firefox decoder's fault... 🤔
2021-09-03 10:41:32
They look like this when opened in separate pages:
2021-09-03 10:41:35
2021-09-03 10:41:40
2021-09-03 10:41:45
2021-09-03 10:41:58
(look closely at the color bleeding)
2021-09-03 10:43:19
In Chrome they all look normally:
2021-09-03 10:43:23
2021-09-03 10:43:34
2021-09-03 10:43:37
improver
2021-09-03 10:58:04
ff dont have alpha related fixes merged
2021-09-03 10:58:27
also this isn't offtopic really
veluca
Fraetor This kind of thing is why I wonder a little about why animation is included within JXL.
2021-09-03 11:02:16
that was just some useless intern project 😛 😛 (disclaimer: I was the intern)
improver
2021-09-03 11:04:18
animation is cool for non camera content. only ones who cant see any advantages haven't seen enough of that kind of art out there
_wb_
2021-09-03 11:33:05
ugh
2021-09-03 11:33:09
are those alpha bugs in avif?
2021-09-03 11:33:35
guess we'll have to disable avif in firefox when there's alpha then
Deleted User
2021-09-03 11:38:42
I see the alt text for those three instead of the pictures...
_wb_
2021-09-03 11:38:45
Or alpha bugs in jxl?
improver
2021-09-03 11:38:55
jxl related alpha bugs
2021-09-03 11:39:28
tbh anyone who enables jxl in firefox in its current state is getting what they want. don't bother
_wb_
2021-09-03 11:39:54
Oh. Not good, but I was worried for a sec that it was in avif, which is getting enabled by default soon in ff
w
2021-09-03 11:40:19
oh yeah i wrote a guide for applying the patches <https://grass.moe/firefox#jxl>
improver
2021-09-03 11:40:41
tfw upstream so unresponsive that we now have guides for applying fixes
2021-09-03 11:41:03
try pitching that to some of firefox forks, they may actually merge them :^)
2021-09-03 11:41:31
i think some fork had webp before main firefox
Deleted User
2021-09-03 11:42:25
https://cloudinary-res.cloudinary.com/images/c_scale,w_200,dpr_1.0/f_auto,q_auto/v1601901269/website/refresh/media_management/DX-page-Virgin-logo-new/DX-page-Virgin-logo-new.png
2021-09-03 11:42:51
Hmmm... Discord displays those images...
2021-09-03 11:51:42
I've got enabled <:JXL:805850130203934781> in both Chrome Canary and Firefox Nightly, so Cloudinary sends <:JXL:805850130203934781> to both of them (in Firefox I could tell because of alpha-related bugs mentioned by <@!260412131034267649> but fixed long time ago, in Chrome I've checked in DevTools).
w oh yeah i wrote a guide for applying the patches <https://grass.moe/firefox#jxl>
2021-09-03 11:53:10
`hg import filename.patch` NO FCKN' WAY FIREFOX STILL USES MERCURIAL <:Hsss:806131225278152756>
2021-09-03 11:53:30
Ugh, why haven't they moved to Git yet
w
2021-09-03 11:53:33
tbh i prefer mercurial now over git
2021-09-03 11:53:35
they do support git
improver
2021-09-03 12:07:06
there is nothing wrong with mercurial
diskorduser
2021-09-03 12:10:07
Expecting a 48mp photo at less than 8mb -_- . https://www.reddit.com/r/jpegxl/comments/pgvrpu/what_is_the_best_jxl_compression_settings_without/
_wb_
2021-09-03 12:33:11
well I doubt the photo is actually really 48 mp worth of pixels
2021-09-03 12:33:57
if it's anything like my 48 MP phone camera, the pixels are more interpolation and signal processing than actual pixels
improver
2021-09-03 12:36:01
https://theworstlabel.bandcamp.com/track/nadeko-sunday
_wb_
2021-09-03 12:38:17
2021-09-03 12:38:42
that's the kind of thing I get when I make "48 MP" photos in broad daylight
2021-09-03 12:39:32
zoomed out it looks fine, but at the pixel level it's complete crap
spider-mario
2021-09-03 12:40:20
they probably denoise them very aggressively
2021-09-03 12:40:26
I wonder what the raw data looks like
_wb_
2021-09-03 12:41:48
I don't think it's only aggressive denoising
2021-09-03 12:42:29
I dunno what it is, it's very heavily processed in any case
2021-09-03 12:43:11
2021-09-03 12:44:12
textures like grass and concrete become weird stuff
fab
diskorduser Expecting a 48mp photo at less than 8mb -_- . https://www.reddit.com/r/jpegxl/comments/pgvrpu/what_is_the_best_jxl_compression_settings_without/
2021-09-03 12:49:33
And with AVIF
2021-09-03 12:49:43
Ok
spider-mario
2021-09-03 12:50:15
to me, it seems quite typical of bad denoising: it makes textures mostly smooth, but with some “noise” (or actual texture) “leaking” through
_wb_
2021-09-03 12:50:16
2021-09-03 12:50:29
that's the full image, recompressed with imagemagick convert -quality 80 to fit for discord
spider-mario
2021-09-03 12:50:43
then they probably apply some bad sharpening on top to make up for the denoising
_wb_
2021-09-03 12:50:46
the original from the phone is 24.5 MB and looks just as crappy
2021-09-03 12:51:43
yeah, denoising that went bad could be an explanation
spider-mario
2021-09-03 12:51:48
strong sharpening is also, to me, very characteristic of smartphone photos
2021-09-03 12:52:03
if I wanted to give a photo the “smartphone look”, I would overdenoise and oversharpen it
improver
2021-09-03 12:52:25
"""48MP"""
_wb_
2021-09-03 12:52:27
the point is, they sell this as 48 MP, but in my opinion this is barely 5 MP worth of actual image data
improver
2021-09-03 12:52:39
my phone is 12MP and that's kinda more believable
_wb_
2021-09-03 12:53:03
nominally the JPEG it produces is quality 98 and 48 MP
Deleted User
2021-09-03 12:55:41
Just use Topaz DeNoise AI™️
_wb_
2021-09-03 12:56:22
these 48 MP images are such utter garbage, I would rather have a 12 MP image that has some fidelity
2021-09-03 12:57:15
so yeah when this guy on reddit says -d 12/13 is ok, I believe him - on images that are so crappy to begin with
Deleted User
2021-09-03 12:57:29
I hope they use processing from Nokia/Microsoft Lumia instead
2021-09-03 12:58:04
Juha Alakarhu, Damian Dinning and the rest of the Nokia team did **beautiful** job
_wb_
2021-09-03 12:58:34
the silly thing is that a huge amount of bits are wasted on trying to replicate the artifacts of the crappy processing the phone camera did
Deleted User
2021-09-03 12:58:42
And I hope they ditch Quad Bayer, it's PITA to demosaic (at least with current algorithms)
2021-09-03 12:58:58
AI would be really helpful
2021-09-03 12:59:11
Not only with natural denoising (Topaz DeNoise AI)
2021-09-03 12:59:41
But also demosaicing (Adobe Enhance Details) https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2019/02/12/enhance-details.html
spider-mario
2021-09-03 01:00:29
yeah, from what I understand, the quad bayer is to make binned 12MP mode more efficient
2021-09-03 01:00:35
but maybe that’s at the expense of the 48MP results
2021-09-03 01:00:43
(and maybe even the 12MP results)
Deleted User
2021-09-03 01:01:27
Adobe Enhance details is trained for conventional Bayer and X-Trans
2021-09-03 01:01:49
I hope Adobe re-trains their neural network to efficiently demosaic Quad Bayer, too
2021-09-03 01:05:52
Why isn't there a single phone manufacturer that does photo processing correctly?!
2021-09-03 01:06:14
Do I *really* have to shoot raw for the rest of my life?
improver
2021-09-03 01:06:23
because phone cameras are smol and thus doing right thing is hard
Deleted User
2021-09-03 01:06:51
I can even PAY to incorporate Topaz DeNoise and Adobe Enhance Details into my phone
2021-09-03 01:07:17
I can pay for a Zeiss lens instead of Samsung's crappy no-name optics in my Galaxy Note 9
2021-09-03 01:08:34
I remember an article about Nokia 808 PV, IIRC they said that its lenses were made with higher precision than DSLR lenses
2021-09-03 01:10:32
We can't rely on the "new" (HMD) Nokia to make mobile photography great again
2021-09-03 01:11:20
This is from their flagship Nokia 9. What an atrocity. UGH 🤮https://allaboutwindowsphone.com/images/features/misc/night-n9-cropped.jpg
2021-09-03 01:12:32
And this is Lumia 950, which is **older** (!) than Nokia 9. But they knew how to do it right. https://allaboutwindowsphone.com/images/features/misc/night-950-cropped.jpg
fab
2021-09-03 01:19:10
Open camera Is way Better
2021-09-03 01:19:16
Even in raw
2021-09-03 01:19:24
It uses more light
2021-09-03 01:19:41
But the ISO is limited
2021-09-03 01:19:57
Anyway the selfie can do max ISO 800
2021-09-03 01:20:32
So Xiaomi Is All marketing
2021-09-03 01:20:47
No good specs
_wb_
2021-09-03 01:24:49
i dunno, my 48 MP xiaomi camera is crap, but I just don't use that. Regular photos are OKish, for a phone camera
2021-09-03 01:25:30
I don't expect a phone camera to be great, phones are just too thin imo to be able to have great cameras
Deleted User
fab Open camera Is way Better
2021-09-03 01:26:17
No it's not. Its JPEG processing algorithms are even dumber than Samsung's.
2021-09-03 01:26:49
It's only useful for shooting raw when the stock camera app doesn't allow you to do so.
fab
No it's not. Its JPEG processing algorithms are even dumber than Samsung's.
2021-09-03 01:27:01
RAW Is Better i conpared original freedngcanera and opencamera
_wb_
2021-09-03 01:27:02
yeah
2021-09-03 01:27:32
Mi 9T, running MIUI 12.0.5, Android 10
Deleted User
fab RAW Is Better i conpared original freedngcanera and opencamera
2021-09-03 01:27:34
Yes, raw is better, but I want good JPEG processing.
fab
Yes, raw is better, but I want good JPEG processing.
2021-09-03 01:27:57
So camera fv5 pro cracked Is good
eddie.zato
2021-09-03 01:29:37
GoogleCameraMod on my RN7 gives neat results with HDR+ feature.
_wb_
2021-09-03 01:30:44
haven't tried any other apps - but is the app doing the processing?
fab
2021-09-03 01:31:46
no i want good photos at maximum iso nominal
_wb_
2021-09-03 01:31:51
I mean, do other apps get access to raw camera data, or do they just get a pixel buffer?
2021-09-03 01:32:07
perhaps we should move this to <#803950138795622455>
fab
2021-09-03 01:32:11
i don't want to set the light for a photo
2021-09-03 01:32:12
ok
_wb_
2021-09-03 01:32:12
this is not very off-topic
Deleted User
2021-09-03 01:35:46
One last message: Please, please, PLEASE someone do the same stuff like Lumia 950, but with multiple lenses (and coupling them together), temporal (Google HDR+ with Bracketing) and spatial AI denoising (Topaz DeNoise), actual HDR (not tone-mapped to SDR, <:JXL:805850130203934781> can handle that) and smart zooming (Google Super Res Zoom, coupled with Adobe ACR Super Resolution for insufficient data).
w
2021-09-03 01:37:24
we should go back to the days of super resolution using just multiple photos
2021-09-03 01:37:30
just take more photos
2021-09-03 01:37:48
equiv. to more cameras in different positions at the same time
spider-mario
I remember an article about Nokia 808 PV, IIRC they said that its lenses were made with higher precision than DSLR lenses
2021-09-03 02:00:59
it’s quite plausible, but on the other hand they require it to achieve the same image-level sharpness: https://www.strollswithmydog.com/equivalence-sharpness-spatial-resolution/
diskorduser
_wb_ I mean, do other apps get access to raw camera data, or do they just get a pixel buffer?
2021-09-03 04:55:59
If the app uses camera2api, it can access raw sensor data.
spider-mario
2021-09-03 05:16:17
the phone still has to expose it if I understand correctly
2021-09-03 05:16:32
there is an app that can list all the camera2 features exposed by the phone it’s running on
2021-09-03 05:16:45
for my old Sony XZ2 Compact, sadly it says “raw: no”
Deleted User
2021-09-03 06:08:41
Allegedly a flaghip Huawei P30 Pro doesn't have Camera2 API exposed, so...
diskorduser
2021-09-04 05:15:29
Some vendors disable camera2api. You can enable if you have unlocked bootloader. Some manufacturers like asus allow enabling camera2api without unlocking bootloader by using few adb commands.
2021-09-04 06:53:34
Because some reasons. Like some manufacturers like to degrade the quality of camera by ota updates. Planned obsolescence. So you will get worse picture quality on all camera apps.
190n
2021-09-04 06:56:05
which manufacturer(s) has/have intentionally reduced camera quality with ota updates?
diskorduser
2021-09-04 06:56:15
Mostly chinese brands
nathanielcwm
2021-09-04 06:59:12
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/630501322113679360/883552341289226241/Screenshot_20210903-202044_Instagram.jpg
2021-09-04 06:59:51
<:monkaMega:809252622900789269> <@!164917458182864897> don't reee at me for stealing ur meme
w
2021-09-04 07:00:56
i think it is more important if you are a ♂️
nathanielcwm
2021-09-04 07:01:02
🤔
w
2021-09-04 07:01:11
> humorous
nathanielcwm
2021-09-04 07:02:14
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/803196804651941959/883383195997978684/wat.mp4 1480c1 tested and cscript returns [object Object] for all
2021-09-04 07:02:28
i tested in ie11 and firefox and it returns the same as the vid <:kekw:808717074305122316>
improver
2021-09-04 12:21:06
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a991NZBBBNU
BlueSwordM
2021-09-04 03:39:04
<@!288069412857315328> How did you get your profile pic to do this <:Thonk:805904896879493180>
w
2021-09-04 03:39:23
very carefully
improver
2021-09-04 04:15:16
is it something like gif with first frame showing one thing and rest another
190n
2021-09-04 04:19:23
yep since discord only animates pfps when you hover over a message or look at a profile
diskorduser
w very carefully
2021-09-04 04:21:51
Is wwwwwwwwwww means laughing?
w
2021-09-04 04:22:15
it means many things
diskorduser
2021-09-04 04:22:25
I have heard chinese people use wwwwwwww for LoL.
lithium
2021-09-04 04:35:03
I think w(笑う, warau) from japanese internet culture, chinese(ccp) internet culture use "233" express for laughing, but chinese(ROC) internet culture don't use "233".
fab
2021-09-04 07:34:02
there are simpler font than suduwe
2021-09-04 07:34:05
like https://www.cufonfonts.com/font/truebo https://www.cufonfonts.com/font/bakersfield
2021-09-04 07:34:32
and readability is the same but what about legibility
2021-09-04 07:34:41
is personal opinion
2021-09-04 07:34:54
you can say those three are bad
2021-09-04 07:35:49
slab serif helps especially on bluecord (discord fork app)
2021-09-04 07:36:47
but those fonts will generate less heavier screenshot by x2, suduwe will be heavy for png and jpg also jxl
2021-09-04 07:37:49
by the way nhw codec 0.2.0
2021-09-04 07:38:12
and totocaca jxl artist role -1
Fox Wizard
2021-09-04 07:38:14
Suduwe is love, suduwe is life
fab
2021-09-04 07:38:24
hah
diskorduser
2021-09-04 07:49:29
<@416586441058025472> do you play genshin impact?
fab
2021-09-04 07:50:00
No i dont play any games
diskorduser
2021-09-04 07:50:05
Ok
2021-09-04 07:50:30
Do you play outdoor games. Like basketball , football
_wb_
2021-09-05 08:34:42
https://twitter.com/jonsneyers/status/1434427353913085959?s=19
Traneptora
2021-09-05 08:46:44
they call this "tombstoning headlines" in the newspaper industry
2021-09-05 08:46:55
cause you line them up side by side like tombstones
2021-09-05 08:47:03
and it's a sure way to kill your train of thought
_wb_
2021-09-05 08:49:03
I suppose columns are less important now that we consume more information on narrow portrait mode display devices (aka phones)
Traneptora
2021-09-05 08:55:33
could s/less important/actively problematic/
_wb_
2021-09-05 09:28:53
Lol yes, actively problematic if you're forcing columns in a phone layout, I meant less important in the sense that there's less reason to use them
spider-mario
2021-09-05 10:52:15
there is a subreddit dedicated to this
2021-09-05 10:52:17
https://www.reddit.com/r/dontdeadopeninside/
_wb_
2021-09-05 11:13:48
There are really subreddits for _everything_, aren't there
Deleted User
2021-09-05 02:37:53
https://www.reddit.com/r/popping/
nathanielcwm
2021-09-05 02:53:29
2021-09-05 02:53:35
<:monkaMega:809252622900789269>
2021-09-05 02:53:44
the words.... what do they mean?
diskorduser
nathanielcwm
2021-09-05 03:18:07
Is she <@416586441058025472> GF?
fab
2021-09-05 03:18:33
no just sx image
diskorduser
2021-09-05 03:18:39
Ah ok
fab
2021-09-05 03:18:42
video it was
nathanielcwm
2021-09-05 03:18:44
prostitute?
fab
2021-09-05 03:18:52
singer
diskorduser
2021-09-05 03:40:40
https://youtu.be/ZQF1IfPwzt0
2021-09-05 04:13:39
2021-09-05 04:18:04
Eugene Vert
2021-09-05 04:58:37
nathanielcwm
2021-09-05 05:03:57
have i blessed this server with cursed gifs yet?
2021-09-05 05:03:58
🤔
2021-09-05 05:05:11
https://tenor.com/view/spider-unboxing-spider-unboxing-gif-19683825
2021-09-05 05:05:49
<:SadCat:805389277247701002> i lost the cursed gifs on this machine
diskorduser
nathanielcwm https://tenor.com/view/spider-unboxing-spider-unboxing-gif-19683825
2021-09-05 05:22:32
Moar pls
nathanielcwm
2021-09-05 05:22:51
||So as a joke, I fucked my friend in a Pekora cosplay So as a joke, I went to my friend's house wearing Pekora's wig and clothes. I could barely stop my laughter as he went as red as a tomato and looked at me from head to toe with a bit of drool in his mouth. The way he stared made mde feel a bit funny too, but I decided to tease him more by taking off my clothes. He asked me, "Are you serious?" and I said "Yep peko." He went silent for what seemed like forever, so I asked him, "What's the matter peko?" He said he's confused, but then his boner got really hard, which made me take off his clothes. I expected him to scream, "Stop!" as I kissed him and stroked his cock, but he instead shouted "Oh God, Pekora!" which made me get a boner myself. Before I knew it, I was blowing him for the first time till he came. His semen was so thick, it got stuck inside my throat no matter how hard I swallowed. He then said, "I want to fuck you now!" and seeing that we've already gone that far and we were both naked, I obliged. A few hours later, the jerk went all pale and said to me "Why did we do that? Now I'm not fucking straight." But he still looked so cute all confused like that, so I took pity on him and reassured while wiping his cum off my face, "Let's just pretend I'ms till Pekora."||
diskorduser
2021-09-05 05:24:35
I want cursed gif not this <:kekw:808717074305122316>
nathanielcwm ||So as a joke, I fucked my friend in a Pekora cosplay So as a joke, I went to my friend's house wearing Pekora's wig and clothes. I could barely stop my laughter as he went as red as a tomato and looked at me from head to toe with a bit of drool in his mouth. The way he stared made mde feel a bit funny too, but I decided to tease him more by taking off my clothes. He asked me, "Are you serious?" and I said "Yep peko." He went silent for what seemed like forever, so I asked him, "What's the matter peko?" He said he's confused, but then his boner got really hard, which made me take off his clothes. I expected him to scream, "Stop!" as I kissed him and stroked his cock, but he instead shouted "Oh God, Pekora!" which made me get a boner myself. Before I knew it, I was blowing him for the first time till he came. His semen was so thick, it got stuck inside my throat no matter how hard I swallowed. He then said, "I want to fuck you now!" and seeing that we've already gone that far and we were both naked, I obliged. A few hours later, the jerk went all pale and said to me "Why did we do that? Now I'm not fucking straight." But he still looked so cute all confused like that, so I took pity on him and reassured while wiping his cum off my face, "Let's just pretend I'ms till Pekora."||
2021-09-05 05:25:16
Is this a joke or happened in irl lol
nathanielcwm
2021-09-05 05:25:40
neither confirm nor deny
2021-09-05 05:25:56
since videos count as 'gifs' now <:kekw:808717074305122316>
2021-09-05 05:26:19
diskorduser
2021-09-05 05:28:25
nathanielcwm
2021-09-05 05:29:08
there isn't a no politics rule here right? <:kekw:808717074305122316>
2021-09-05 05:29:17
2021-09-05 05:29:56
forgive me for the controversial politics if there is <:monkaMega:809252622900789269>
diskorduser
2021-09-05 05:32:36
Emojis from Google keyboard are funny
2021-09-05 05:32:43