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diskorduser
ASUS ROG Swift PG65UQ ๐Ÿ˜
2021-05-09 04:34:45
Bruh
2021-05-09 04:36:16
I'm using a LG 22mp68vq
2021-05-09 04:36:36
It's just 1080p though. But colors look good
lithium
Crixis If I want to buy a good '21 screen for a 1060 gtx?
2021-05-09 04:37:43
If your table depth is enough, buy '24 screen should be great(for 1080)
2021-05-09 04:39:27
I'm using viewsonic '24 + rx580 8g
2021-05-09 04:47:46
I'm not sure TN, VA, IPS which LCD panel is best for you.
2021-05-09 04:49:43
like <@!263309374775230465> use AH-IPS LCD panel, and my LCD panel is VA.
2021-05-09 04:58:00
Or you can choose EIZO.
Deleted User
lithium If your table depth is enough, buy '24 screen should be great(for 1080)
2021-05-09 05:09:40
I guess '21 screen means a good screen in 2021 and not a 21" screen. ;)
lithium I'm not sure TN, VA, IPS which LCD panel is best for you.
2021-05-09 05:10:53
OLED should be the priority in 2021 if one has the budget.
lithium
2021-05-09 05:13:14
oh, my bad I just think that('21) is mean 21 Inches ๐Ÿ™‚
spider-mario
Crixis <@604964375924834314>, can you suggest me?
2021-05-09 05:18:43
is that for gaming?
OLED should be the priority in 2021 if one has the budget.
2021-05-09 05:19:35
can they dim without PWM now?
2021-05-09 05:19:48
and how is the burn-in these days?
Deleted User
2021-05-09 05:27:12
I don't have one but I think this was never an issue for typical brightness levels. Though I also never view content with fully white background regardless of display technologie.
spider-mario
2021-05-09 05:28:11
I guess it also depends on how often one wants to upgrade
2021-05-09 05:28:27
if one is going to upgrade every three years anyway, then it may not be much of a problem
2021-05-09 05:28:46
(and by then it might not be OLED anymore anyway)
veluca
2021-05-09 05:28:58
I didn't get any burn-in (yet?) on my TV
spider-mario
2021-05-09 05:29:08
neither did I, but then I only use it as a TV
2021-05-09 05:29:43
I donโ€™t spend 10+ hours/day using it
veluca
2021-05-09 05:33:28
I use it as a computer display, but indeed not that much
Crixis
spider-mario is that for gaming?
2021-05-09 05:34:22
Only casual game
lithium oh, my bad I just think that('21) is mean 21 Inches ๐Ÿ™‚
2021-05-09 05:35:02
Sorry 21' inch
spider-mario
2021-05-09 05:35:15
maybe something with G-Sync or Adaptive Sync could make sense
2021-05-09 05:35:17
itโ€™s a nice feature
Deleted User
Crixis Sorry 21' inch
2021-05-09 05:35:29
"
2021-05-09 06:02:01
How do you feel about the fact that we'll probably have less of new deep fried memes?
2021-05-09 06:02:40
(that's a screenshot from June 2018, by the way)
_wb_
2021-05-09 06:15:28
Deleted User
2021-05-09 06:28:53
https://youtu.be/QEzhxP-pdos
2021-05-09 06:29:31
(I'd like to remake it, but with JPEG XL and Opus codec)
_wb_
2021-05-09 06:32:31
Haha
2021-05-09 06:33:15
Should edit the sound to add "XL" then ๐Ÿ˜…
monad
2021-05-10 05:12:35
I'd watch that
spider-mario
2021-05-10 11:54:55
> With LAMBDA, Excel has become _Turing-complete_.
2021-05-10 11:54:56
oboi.
2021-05-10 11:55:22
(https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/podcast/advancing-excel-as-a-programming-language-with-andy-gordon-and-simon-peyton-jones/ and https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/blog/lambda-the-ultimatae-excel-worksheet-function/)
2021-05-10 11:55:53
inb4 `djxl.xlsx`
_wb_
2021-05-10 11:59:06
wasn't excel turing-complete already?
spider-mario
2021-05-10 12:42:54
perhaps excel as a whole if you allowed some manual interaction or something like that, not sure
2021-05-10 12:42:58
but now the formula language itself is
2021-05-10 12:43:06
you can now define functions
2021-05-10 12:43:28
and use more advanced data structures than just numbers and strings
2021-05-10 12:44:12
ah, right: > In contrast, Felienne Hermansโ€™s lovely blog post about writing a Turing machine in Excel doesnโ€™t, strictly speaking, establish Turing completeness because it uses successive rows for successive states, so the number of steps is limited by the number of rows.
_wb_
2021-05-10 12:46:26
well yes strictly speaking no computer in the world is Turing complete because it has a finite amount of RAM and diskspace so it is a finite state machine
spider-mario
2021-05-10 12:47:45
right, but in most programming languages, you donโ€™t have to drag cells with your mouse to extend the computation
_wb_
2021-05-10 12:50:04
Patches is a coding tool in the jxl bitstream that allows you to say "take a rectangle of dimensions WxH at position (x0,y0) from a previously-decoded frame, and put it in the frame I am currently decoding at position (x,y), {replacing | adding to | alpha-blending with | ... } the decoded pixel values"
2021-05-10 12:58:22
No, it is also used for still images. The previously-decoded frame can be an invisible reference frame that contains a sprite sheet of letters, for example, that is then used to efficiently encode an image with text.
Deleted User
2021-05-10 01:04:06
Patches are waaaay more powerful. They can not only replace (exact matches), but also add (mathematically), alpha-blend, ...
2021-05-10 01:04:26
Even now screenshots can use them to improve compression, like this:
2021-05-10 01:04:30
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/794206170445119489/834486190576762931/Screenshot_2l.png
2021-05-10 01:05:06
(sharp regions are patched, blurry ones are VarDCT-encoded)
fab
2021-05-10 01:05:47
2021-05-10 01:06:08
Guess Ill try remastering a remastered video with jpeg xl
2021-05-10 01:06:20
Just to test other tools
2021-05-10 01:06:39
And if i can run at 30 fps
2021-05-10 01:06:49
Or Fit into discord
2021-05-10 01:07:21
But I cant encode with svt because im still on Windows 7
Deleted User
2021-05-10 01:07:33
> Make parts of the image sharper? No, in usual use there should be no visible difference (unless you go really low on quality).
2021-05-10 01:08:27
That blurry look of non-patched regions is generated artificially in the decoder, only for demonstrating where the patches are and how do they look.
_wb_
2021-05-10 01:10:24
you can see that the current patch detection heuristics detect quite a few opportunities to use patches, but also still miss quite a few opportunities ๐Ÿ™‚
Deleted User
2021-05-10 01:11:54
Another example from this server:
2021-05-10 01:11:57
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/803645746661425173/811793714112233503/patches.png
2021-05-10 01:17:51
What's the image that you want to encode?
Crixis
2021-05-10 01:18:35
No visual difference, only massive size difference
fab
> Make parts of the image sharper? No, in usual use there should be no visible difference (unless you go really low on quality).
2021-05-10 01:19:26
Im was about to ask this
_wb_
2021-05-10 01:19:43
at -d 0 patches does exact matching only, maybe it doesn't find anything at all?
fab
2021-05-10 01:19:54
I think patches is Main tool of jpeg xl
Deleted User
Crixis No visual difference, only massive size difference
2021-05-10 01:19:57
There should be minor visual difference (at least on high lossy settings), patches should have less visual artifacts.
fab
2021-05-10 01:20:17
But there is no tecnical explanatiom
_wb_
2021-05-10 01:20:19
you can check if you encode with `-v` to see if there's anything in `dictionary`
2021-05-10 01:21:38
bits that are in `dictionary` are spent on the patch signaling itself (not the image data that gets referenced, but the references themselves)
Crixis
2021-05-10 01:24:49
lossless now use patches?
Deleted User
Crixis lossless now use patches?
2021-05-10 01:25:28
Always has been
Crixis
2021-05-10 01:26:13
I didn't know
_wb_
2021-05-10 01:27:26
lossless does use patches by default at speed 5 or slower (higher)
2021-05-10 01:28:19
lossy does patches by default at speed 7 or slower
Crixis
2021-05-10 01:28:53
modular work better on text then Vardct (size and quality) and encode 1 time else then 10 is an oblivious size save
_wb_ lossless does use patches by default at speed 5 or slower (higher)
2021-05-10 01:29:05
cool
_wb_
2021-05-10 01:30:38
but there does seem to be a problem with lossless patches, hm
2021-05-10 01:31:40
as in, the encoder does not seem to find any
2021-05-10 01:32:41
<@!179701849576833024> did anything change there recently? I'm not getting any patches on the APPLE_BasketBallScreen test image when doing cjxl -q 100, that doesn't seem right...
veluca
_wb_ <@!179701849576833024> did anything change there recently? I'm not getting any patches on the APPLE_BasketBallScreen test image when doing cjxl -q 100, that doesn't seem right...
2021-05-10 02:10:53
that doesn't seem right indeed... I'll check
fab
2021-05-10 04:51:27
2021-05-10 04:51:49
here's you can see what hd resolution screen look like in a computer
2021-05-10 04:51:54
saved with paint png of course
2021-05-10 04:52:00
is painful
2021-05-10 04:52:15
not that i prefer galaxy s4 screen
2021-05-10 04:52:24
but galaxy s4 was fine
2021-05-10 04:52:43
only it makes a bit of sunskin
2021-05-10 04:53:03
so darker skin that makes young people looks older
2021-05-10 04:53:27
but now i'm looking to galaxy s4 screen for 5 days
2021-05-10 04:53:32
i see how my computer is bad
diskorduser
fab
2021-05-10 04:53:35
Is it jxl wallpaper
fab
2021-05-10 04:53:53
yes
diskorduser
2021-05-10 04:54:00
Fffffff
fab
2021-05-10 04:54:08
the jxl wallpaper can be upgraded in resolution
2021-05-10 04:54:16
because i have the tree
2021-05-10 04:54:25
but the computer you can't do much
2021-05-10 04:54:38
other than using more relaxing fonts suited for low resolution screens
2021-05-10 04:54:44
like arial etc
2021-05-10 04:55:04
or even cabin sometimes can be better
diskorduser
2021-05-10 04:55:06
Like wingdings
fab
2021-05-10 04:55:24
right
raysar
spider-mario can they dim without PWM now?
2021-05-10 06:17:11
Pwm is not a problem, it's the speed of pwm :p
_wb_ No, it is also used for still images. The previously-decoded frame can be an invisible reference frame that contains a sprite sheet of letters, for example, that is then used to efficiently encode an image with text.
2021-05-10 06:21:12
Is there a tool to display this reference frame? I don't see info about that ^^
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/794206170445119489/834486190576762931/Screenshot_2l.png
2021-05-10 06:23:16
What is the magic tricks to separate patch zone to create this image? ^^
_wb_
raysar What is the magic tricks to separate patch zone to create this image? ^^
2021-05-10 06:24:26
Decode with djxl -s 8, so it decodes only the DC and the patches but not the AC.
raysar Is there a tool to display this reference frame? I don't see info about that ^^
2021-05-10 06:25:59
There isn't afaik, but it shouldn't be hard to make one. Or maybe we already have a benchmark_xl debug image for it? <@179701849576833024> do you know?
veluca
2021-05-10 06:27:33
I think we have one, but encode-side, and it can be kinda hard to visualize as it might have negative values...
raysar
_wb_ Decode with djxl -s 8, so it decodes only the DC and the patches but not the AC.
2021-05-10 06:29:48
Thank you ๐Ÿ™‚
_wb_
2021-05-10 06:32:38
Ah yes, if it's black text on a white background, we actually encode it as negative text on a zero background, so it becomes a solid white background to which the patch gets 'added'
monad
2021-05-10 10:12:04
To clarify, this was also demonstrating patches (in response to your suggestion that patches may be infeasible for Japanese text). https://discord.com/channels/794206087879852103/803574970180829194/841168658293325844
2021-05-10 10:13:24
Certainly works better in the English comparison with more repetition, but still performs well.
2021-05-10 10:16:44
And now I understand why patches don't encode general repetitions well, since they look for contrast.
raysar
2021-05-11 12:39:36
Do you know what sound elvis presley remixed by JXL ? ๐Ÿ˜„ https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx1_6F-nCaw&feature=share
2021-05-11 12:43:37
we need to collaborate with him :p https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkie_XL
Scientia
raysar we need to collaborate with him :p https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkie_XL
2021-05-11 01:45:05
just learned he composed the scores for the sonic the hedgehog movie and godzilla vs kong
Petr
2021-05-11 07:49:39
Thanks for the praise in <#794206170445119489>, <@456226577798135808>! More art to come soonโ€ฆ ๐Ÿ˜‰
Eugene Vert
_wb_ but there does seem to be a problem with lossless patches, hm
2021-05-11 10:24:37
Should I wait for a fix, or patches on modular lossless doesn't do much?
_wb_
2021-05-11 10:55:51
there is no problem in the sense that lossless isn't lossless or something, but the patch detection doesn't seem to work properly in lossless mode atm and it just doesn't seem to use any patches atm
fab
2021-05-11 11:20:45
https://addons.mozilla.org/it/firefox/addon/dark-shatte/
2021-05-11 03:35:20
i tried to fix source code as i don't find the firefox colors options
2021-05-11 03:35:25
now it doesn't work
2021-05-11 03:46:27
_wb_
2021-05-11 06:44:53
You actually did. Turns out we had an encoder bug since end of November that caused the encoder not to detect any patches if the colorspace is RGB (i.e. in lossless mode; in lossy we use XYB by default).
2021-05-11 06:45:38
It will be fixed in the next sync, <@179701849576833024> found and fixed the encoder bug.
2021-05-11 06:46:50
So <@111445179587624960> you may want to re-run some lossless benchmarks after the next sync happens, for some kinds of images it could make a significant difference!
2021-05-11 06:48:19
Remarkable that the bug went unnoticed for nearly half a year, but the encoder was doing nothing wrong, it just didn't detect patches in lossless mode and didn't end up using them.
Scope
2021-05-11 06:55:03
Ok, did the patches not work even when enabled in the options? As far as I remember in my tests sometimes the results were different (but maybe it was on quite old builds)
2021-05-11 06:59:43
Btw, for the new re-run, it would also be nice to have an option for invisible alpha
veluca
2021-05-11 07:02:52
I thought the option was there
2021-05-11 07:03:06
at least for lossy, not sure if <@!794205442175402004> decided to expose it ๐Ÿ˜„
Scope
2021-05-11 07:06:20
Yes, I mean for lossless as in FLIF/WebP(2)
_wb_
2021-05-11 07:13:48
In lossy something is always done to the invisible pixels, not making them black but smearing visible pixels into a blurry mess in the invisible region, which is easy to compress (blurry messes have low entropy) and is better to avoid artifacts from invisible pixels bleeding into the visible ones.
2021-05-11 07:14:06
In lossless currently it just doesn't touch invisible pixels at all.
2021-05-11 07:14:51
And premultiplied alpha is also not yet exposed as a choice, we just do it for EXR input and not for any other input.
Scope Ok, did the patches not work even when enabled in the options? As far as I remember in my tests sometimes the results were different (but maybe it was on quite old builds)
2021-05-11 07:15:57
No, they didn't work. As far as I can tell, patches still worked in version 0.1, but were broken (in the lossless encoder) in version 0.2 and later.
2021-05-11 07:16:15
In version 0.4 they will be fixed again ๐Ÿ˜…
veluca
_wb_ No, they didn't work. As far as I can tell, patches still worked in version 0.1, but were broken (in the lossless encoder) in version 0.2 and later.
2021-05-11 08:44:45
I mean, they might in theory have found something in 0.2-0.3, but for sure they didn't do as good as a search as they could have
raysar
2021-05-12 02:44:10
There are so many incredible paper on video edition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1IcaBn3ej0
BlueSwordM
raysar There are so many incredible paper on video edition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1IcaBn3ej0
2021-05-12 02:52:15
Better lighting = more realistic game got it <:kekw:808717074305122316>
raysar
2021-05-12 02:52:54
here it's better than ray tracing :p
BlueSwordM
2021-05-12 02:53:26
Actually, I wouldn't say so.
Scope
2021-05-12 03:46:43
Except for the encoding time, because I am using a PC at that time and it will be inaccurate
Scientia
raysar There are so many incredible paper on video edition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1IcaBn3ej0
2021-05-12 04:53:46
Wow they played GTA V on xbox
spider-mario
2021-05-12 01:02:15
their footage is all very green
2021-05-12 01:02:24
it doesnโ€™t look like an improvement to me
Crixis
spider-mario it doesnโ€™t look like an improvement to me
2021-05-12 01:04:00
look like a real bad smatphone video
2021-05-12 01:04:28
but look more "realistic" in this manner
spider-mario
2021-05-12 01:09:45
at the very least, it might look better if the data set was properly white-balanced
2021-05-12 01:09:53
not sure why they left that strong green cast
2021-05-12 01:10:25
itโ€™s all I can see
_wb_
2021-05-12 01:14:28
Yes, it has a strong green cast, and also looks undersaturated (the synthetic source looks a bit oversaturated though)
raysar
2021-05-12 01:16:43
Yes but with with balance correction it look good. I don't know why they keep horrible dash cam white balance.
Nova Aurora
2021-05-12 02:40:37
It shows the need to prune your training data carefully
2021-05-12 02:40:53
If you want a specific result
spider-mario
2021-05-12 05:14:34
the road also looks unnaturally smooth
Deleted User
2021-05-12 05:15:56
But that's how it looks in reality though, the GTA original is too sharp, like if someone dragged Photoshop's "Clarity" slider up to 11
spider-mario
2021-05-12 05:16:17
it doesnโ€™t look _that_ smooth irl
BlueSwordM
But that's how it looks in reality though, the GTA original is too sharp, like if someone dragged Photoshop's "Clarity" slider up to 11
2021-05-12 05:16:28
I think the problem is that the video is really compressed and low resolution.
2021-05-12 05:16:58
The problem with the video is that most of the things done in the video can be done using competent Reshade tweaking <:Thonk:805904896879493180>
Deleted User
spider-mario it doesnโ€™t look _that_ smooth irl
2021-05-12 05:30:01
Because you've probably only watched poorly compressed YT video. See static images here, the quality is so much better: https://intel-isl.github.io/PhotorealismEnhancement/
spider-mario
2021-05-12 05:31:19
better indeed, thanks
diskorduser
2021-05-12 05:49:57
The colors looks like nfs most wanted
2021-05-12 05:50:36
How to convert GTA to nfs most wanted :p
_wb_
2021-05-13 07:55:26
2021-05-13 08:02:25
It is very much off-topic
2021-05-13 08:03:02
The Dutch library foundation reviewed my science fiction book
2021-05-13 08:05:41
Haha no, some libraries are purchasing my weird book now, which is kinda cool
2021-05-13 08:06:38
https://sneyers.info/boek/ is the book
2021-05-13 08:07:18
It's an epic optimistic-dystopian feminist pornographic hard-SF adventure, written in Dutch.
2021-05-13 08:12:00
Haha well it's just words, obviously
Petr
2021-05-13 08:19:02
Writing for both humans and computers. That's similar. ๐Ÿ™‚
_wb_
2021-05-13 08:23:00
Not quite, haha. Computers are easier to write for, imo. Human languages are much more complicated.
spider-mario
2021-05-13 08:39:15
there have been attempts to make human language more computer-y, for example with lojban
2021-05-13 08:39:55
.i ma tavla la lojban
_wb_
2021-05-13 08:49:11
I doubt such attempts will have any significant success. Human languages tend to evolve naturally, and normative linguistics is usually seen as something outdated - basically they've mostly given up on it, and everything is becoming descriptive (describing the weird stuff humans do) instead of proscriptive (demanding that humans do less weird stuff).
Petr
2021-05-13 09:20:07
But AFAIK for example Esperanto (which is at least 7ร— easier to learn than English) was on the rise and then some nations blocked it because they would lose money on spreading their languages into the world. So it again leads to money and power, like many other big issues in our societyโ€ฆ
2021-05-13 09:21:17
I meanโ€ฆ not the whole nations but their establishmens.
Pieter
2021-05-13 09:21:43
7x... that's a remarkably specific number
spider-mario
_wb_ I doubt such attempts will have any significant success. Human languages tend to evolve naturally, and normative linguistics is usually seen as something outdated - basically they've mostly given up on it, and everything is becoming descriptive (describing the weird stuff humans do) instead of proscriptive (demanding that humans do less weird stuff).
2021-05-13 09:28:03
I actually had an โ€œargumentโ€ about this in a YouTube comment section recently, where someone was arguing very pedantically that > An English accent in English, a French accent in French, a Chinese accent in Chinese, and a Korean accent in Korean is by definition the same as saying someone is speaking properly or accentlessly.
2021-05-13 09:28:20
had to explain that according to the definition of โ€œaccentโ€ that linguists use, everybody has one
2021-05-13 09:28:36
and that there isnโ€™t just one French accent, for that matter
2021-05-13 09:29:35
(neither is there even just one Chinese languageโ€ฆ but I didnโ€™t feel like going there)
Petr
Pieter 7x... that's a remarkably specific number
2021-05-13 09:31:16
There was a lot of research on comparing constructed and natural languages. AFAICR some concluded 7ร—, some even 10ร—.
veluca
spider-mario and that there isnโ€™t just one French accent, for that matter
2021-05-13 09:36:31
Italian also definitely has maaaany different accents (and dialects, too, but that's another story)
spider-mario
2021-05-13 09:40:07
yep, and AFAIK this counts as dialects in linguist lingo
2021-05-13 09:41:40
> The most significant variations or differences within languages occur at the level of the lexicon (vocabulary), phonology (pronunciation), grammar (morphology and syntax). and usage. Moreover, they are not just qualitative, in the sense that dialect A uses one feature and dialect B another, but they may also be quantitative, in the sense that dialect A uses one feature more often than dialect B does. (This is particularly true of phonological and grammatical features which have social or stylistic significance.) Finally, variation may be regional, social or stylistic in its origins, and the methods that linguists have used to study each type differ slightly.
spider-mario > The most significant variations or differences within languages occur at the level of the lexicon (vocabulary), phonology (pronunciation), grammar (morphology and syntax). and usage. Moreover, they are not just qualitative, in the sense that dialect A uses one feature and dialect B another, but they may also be quantitative, in the sense that dialect A uses one feature more often than dialect B does. (This is particularly true of phonological and grammatical features which have social or stylistic significance.) Finally, variation may be regional, social or stylistic in its origins, and the methods that linguists have used to study each type differ slightly.
2021-05-13 09:45:46
FYI this is from http://www.stanford.edu/~rickford/ling73/reading1.doc (yep, sorry, itโ€™s a .doc), which, as a layman, I found a valuable summary of how linguists approach the subject
2021-05-13 09:46:09
(I mean, the title is โ€œHow Linguists Approach the Study of Language and Dialectโ€)
2021-05-13 09:47:17
to me, an interesting paradox is that the study of peopleโ€™s attitude towards language is _also_ descriptive itself
2021-05-13 09:47:44
so if peopleโ€™s attitude is prescriptive, as a linguist, you wouldnโ€™t prescribe that it should be descriptive instead
spider-mario there have been attempts to make human language more computer-y, for example with lojban
2021-05-13 10:12:19
and in a sense, Perl was an attempt at doing the opposite (but not in the English-like way of, say, AppleScript or Adobe Lingo)
2021-05-13 10:12:24
Larry Wall is a linguist, after all
2021-05-13 10:33:08
kind of relevant: https://twitter.com/thejazzemu/status/1384192060631093250
_wb_
2021-05-13 10:37:14
COBOL was kind of an attempt to make programming languages more Englishy
2021-05-13 10:37:18
It sucked of course
Crixis
2021-05-13 10:39:21
Python is a lot more "Englishy"
veluca
2021-05-13 10:46:44
I like C++, mostly like rust, and have a love-hate relationship with Python ๐Ÿ˜› (and with stuff like bash, but that's less of a "programming language" in my opinion)
_wb_
2021-05-13 11:18:28
I have been doing too much logic programming in the past (Prolog and stuff), to me all imperative programming languages look kind of the same, all just different flavors of syntactic sugar and stdlibs for machine code.
spider-mario
2021-05-13 11:29:38
I havenโ€™t actually used Haskell for a lot of โ€œusefulโ€ things but I have kind of a soft spot for it
2021-05-13 11:29:40
I like it in principle
2021-05-13 11:30:26
raku (formerly perl6) can be fun too
veluca
2021-05-13 03:49:07
yup
fab
2021-05-13 05:38:28
Deleted User
2021-05-13 09:44:40
My arm hurts a bit, but nothing unbearable :slight_smile:
Jim
2021-05-13 09:48:08
Congrats!
spider-mario
2021-05-13 11:47:43
looking forward to mine ๐Ÿ˜„
2021-05-13 11:47:46
(itโ€™s on Saturday)
2021-05-13 11:48:09
(as in, in 38 hours)
Pieter
2021-05-14 12:09:24
Mine is in -688 hours, and another one in 19 hours!
Petr
My arm hurts a bit, but nothing unbearable :slight_smile:
2021-05-14 05:41:42
Mine didn't hurt at all which was kinda surprisingโ€ฆ
2021-05-14 06:16:08
Sorry if my (now deleted) post seemed offensive. It wasn't meant as such.
Deleted User
2021-05-14 05:16:08
FBI subpoenaed Sci-Hub's founder's Apple account. If you've got some disk space, seed, because Sci-Hub may get taken down soon...
2021-05-14 05:16:20
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/nc27fv/rescue_mission_for_scihub_and_open_science_we_are/
BlueSwordM
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/nc27fv/rescue_mission_for_scihub_and_open_science_we_are/
2021-05-14 05:18:48
This is garbage: most of that research is funded publicly, but these publishing corporations get to double dip for profit. It's abhorrent.
veluca
2021-05-14 05:21:18
I prefer not to comment on that xD
2021-05-14 05:21:52
my stance of paywalls for research papers is about the same as paywalls for standards
Pieter
My arm hurts a bit, but nothing unbearable :slight_smile:
2021-05-14 08:05:23
veluca
2021-05-14 08:16:43
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq3P-LhlcQo you might recognize a name or two that appear here ๐Ÿ˜„
diskorduser
2021-05-15 03:17:47
_wb_
veluca https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq3P-LhlcQo you might recognize a name or two that appear here ๐Ÿ˜„
2021-05-15 04:21:32
Amazing stuff! How did you do the counting, <@!795684063032901642> and <@!179701849576833024> ? Brute-force all the way through an enumeration of all the trees? How much cpu time did that take? ๐Ÿ˜…
veluca
2021-05-15 04:22:18
a *bit* better than brute force ๐Ÿ˜› the trees are not quite the problem, there's not that many
2021-05-15 04:22:49
https://github.com/google-research/google-research/tree/master/cube_unfoldings
2021-05-15 04:23:11
up to 9d it can run on a normal-if-powerful PC in a day or so (10d needed a cluster)
veluca up to 9d it can run on a normal-if-powerful PC in a day or so (10d needed a cluster)
2021-05-15 04:24:09
(read: something like my desktop, threadripper 3970x with ... enough... ram :P)
_wb_
2021-05-15 04:26:39
is your desktop the normal-if-powerful PC or the cluster here? ๐Ÿ™‚
veluca
2021-05-15 04:29:44
hahah no the cluster has significantly more oomph than my desktop
_wb_
2021-05-15 04:31:47
https://oeis.org/A091159 still needs to be updated with two more terms ๐Ÿ™‚
2021-05-15 04:32:32
so the 4D ones have 3D unfoldings that all tile 3D space?
2021-05-15 04:32:58
do the (n+1)D ones have nD unfoldings that all tile nD space?
2021-05-15 04:36:38
https://tenor.com/view/jason-mantzoukas-betting-gamble-place-your-bets-the-house-gif-8225040
veluca
2021-05-15 04:42:48
I don't know
2021-05-15 04:42:56
but it would take quite a bit of computation...
_wb_
2021-05-15 04:46:52
that or some kind of ingenious proof by induction, I guess
2021-05-15 04:47:22
Is there any connection between the tilings of 3D unfoldings and the tilings of 2D unfoldings?
2021-05-15 04:48:55
also: the video showed how the Dali unfolding itself has a 2D unfolding that tiles. Is that true for the other 260 3D unfoldings too?
veluca
_wb_ that or some kind of ingenious proof by induction, I guess
2021-05-15 06:17:45
or not by induction, yes (I somehow don't think induction would help much here)
_wb_ Is there any connection between the tilings of 3D unfoldings and the tilings of 2D unfoldings?
2021-05-15 06:17:54
I don't *think* so
_wb_ also: the video showed how the Dali unfolding itself has a 2D unfolding that tiles. Is that true for the other 260 3D unfoldings too?
2021-05-15 06:18:03
no idea... <@!795684063032901642>
Moritz Firsching
2021-05-15 06:21:21
no idea, the question also seems a bit far-fetched
_wb_
2021-05-15 07:21:54
Is there a tiling pattern that uses all 261 unfoldings?
2021-05-15 07:22:14
(I can come up with more far-fetched questions if you like)
Deleted User
2021-05-17 03:23:18
i don't know what this conversation is about but i saw somebody writing something about programming language preferences ect and the right answer is C
2021-05-17 03:23:23
(just saying)
improver
2021-05-17 03:29:32
C is p good but not always the right tool for the job (proglang pref discussions are silly)
Deleted User
2021-05-17 07:03:50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tas0O586t80
_wb_
2021-05-17 02:55:28
ugh how do you track down licenses for things that kind of look like they're probably CC0 or CC BY-SA or something, but the author/license seems to be very hard to find?
2021-05-17 02:55:30
https://web.archive.org/web/20111221090506mp_/http://s826.photobucket.com/albums/zz190/apng/?action=view&current=APNG-Icos4D.png
Pieter
2021-05-17 03:13:30
google reverse image search may help?
improver
2021-05-17 03:16:56
id just claim fair use tbh lol
2021-05-17 03:21:02
I suspect that would not fly for Official Test Corpus though
Nova Aurora
_wb_ ugh how do you track down licenses for things that kind of look like they're probably CC0 or CC BY-SA or something, but the author/license seems to be very hard to find?
2021-05-17 04:24:42
Just over throw the berne convention and institute a new era of free media! <:galaxybrain:821831336372338729> โ˜ญ
2021-05-17 04:27:04
For works by anonymous authors, the copyright is 95 years lol
2021-05-17 04:27:44
Even if it's abandoned, it can't be legally copied outside of fair use for 95 years
bonnibel
2021-05-17 09:03:31
https://xkcd.com/2464/
monad
2021-05-18 01:44:49
> simple and here I am with my mere 3D brain
Pieter
2021-05-18 06:52:47
Complete guess: some extension tag that's expected to be appended to by every processing step?
Moritz Firsching
_wb_ Is there a tiling pattern that uses all 261 unfoldings?
2021-05-18 06:56:46
I would expect that there might be a way to tile that uses each tile at least once, but I am not so sure that there will be one where all the tiles are used equally often. So I don't really expect that you can arrange the 261 pieces in order to obtain a "prototile", which tiles the plane. In any case I think a somewhat practical question would be: What is the smallest box, such that you can fit all the 261 pieces in it. A perfect fit (and also a postive answer to your question) would be a box of size `29*12*6`, for example. But can we even pack the pieces in a slighly larger box, e.g. `7*12*25` or `13*13*13` or something? This would be useful in order to 3d-print all of the pieces without using too much space. When we want to print both versions for the chrial ones, it is actually 455 pieces.
_wb_
2021-05-18 09:36:41
Microsoft Word feels very demented
2021-05-18 09:37:02
I click "Accept all and stop tracking" in a document with 17k track changes
2021-05-18 09:37:42
it starts accepting a few dozen changes, slowly, and then after a few minutes it forgets what it was doing and just stops
2021-05-18 09:38:08
clicked the button a few dozen times now, am down to 11.6k track changes
2021-05-18 09:38:32
I would use latex for this if I had a choice
2021-05-18 09:38:38
but I don't
2021-05-18 09:38:56
ISO requires f'ing MICROSOFT WORD and they don't accept anything else
Crixis
2021-05-18 09:38:57
markdown >> latex
_wb_
2021-05-18 09:39:34
markdown? seems a bit weak to write a spec in
2021-05-18 09:39:51
maybe not though
2021-05-18 09:39:59
can it do cross-references?
Crixis
_wb_ markdown? seems a bit weak to write a spec in
2021-05-18 09:40:10
not with the right extension
2021-05-18 09:40:50
or save in docx
_wb_
2021-05-18 09:41:04
no, you get a docx from the ISO editor, and you're not allowed to convert it to something else and back because then the magic xml stuff they have hidden inside the docx would disappear
2021-05-18 09:41:11
or something
Crixis
2021-05-18 09:41:47
onlyoffice?
2021-05-18 09:42:06
wps office use also some word magic
2021-05-18 09:42:19
(i'm just joking)
2021-05-18 09:44:02
docx is open
_wb_
2021-05-18 09:45:09
anyway, it annoys me even more that ISO puts everything behind a paywall
Crixis
2021-05-18 11:36:07
I'm a discord/code noob, someone can explain me all this github/discord anime coulture?
2021-05-18 11:44:15
Damn I'm fabian
diskorduser
2021-05-18 11:48:03
With anime your code runs 10x faster.
Crixis
diskorduser With anime your code runs 10x faster.
2021-05-18 11:50:54
I must try with jojo
Nova Aurora
2021-05-18 01:46:25
OOXML is an ISO standard....
spider-mario
Crixis markdown >> latex
2021-05-18 01:53:39
Iโ€™ve used reStructuredText for a while, it was rather nice
2021-05-18 01:54:55
one nice thing about those is that itโ€™s quite easy to generate accessible output in, say, HTML or EPUB
2021-05-18 01:55:48
PDFs generated by LaTeX look very neat but I have heard that they are typically not that accessible, are they?
Nova Aurora
2021-05-18 01:56:25
I have no idea, I'm not a member of ISO
spider-mario
2021-05-18 01:57:11
or otherwise, we could make it more bureaucratic to please ISO, and write in DocBook
Nova Aurora
2021-05-18 01:57:12
There was significant pushback because OASIS (.odt) had already been standardized
diskorduser
Crixis markdown >> latex
2021-05-18 01:57:33
How do you write math equations on markdown. On latex, it was very easy.
spider-mario
2021-05-18 01:57:37
itโ€™s XML, which means it must be good
2021-05-18 01:57:45
as everyone knows
diskorduser How do you write math equations on markdown. On latex, it was very easy.
2021-05-18 01:58:25
you can write them in LaTeX, actually
2021-05-18 01:58:46
if you convert from markdown to LaTeX, you can keep them as is, and if outputting to HTML, you can use e.g. https://www.mathjax.org/
Crixis
diskorduser How do you write math equations on markdown. On latex, it was very easy.
2021-05-18 02:02:43
In latex syntax
2021-05-18 02:03:10
You can test on hackmd.io
Nova Aurora
Pieter
2021-05-18 02:21:23
So how's the 5g reception now?
Pieter
Nova Aurora So how's the 5g reception now?
2021-05-18 02:22:04
Unchanged :(
Nova Aurora
2021-05-18 02:22:49
I got the J&J vaccine and I only get 4g reception <:FeelsSadMan:808221433243107338>
diskorduser
Crixis In latex syntax
2021-05-18 02:50:04
So need latex. Latex > markdown :p
Crixis
diskorduser So need latex. Latex > markdown :p
2021-05-18 02:50:45
is a better latex
spider-mario
diskorduser So need latex. Latex > markdown :p
2021-05-18 06:16:13
at display time if outputting to HTML, MathJax can convert the math to MathML (or render it itself), and there wonโ€™t be any need to parse all the non-math LaTeX and map the rendering of _that_ to something semantic
2021-05-18 06:17:11
having taken notes in reStructuredText (with LaTeX syntax for formulas) for 2-3 years in university, I found it to be a more straightforward experience than using LaTeX for the whole document
_wb_
2021-05-20 05:50:05
Wait nobody is using JPEG XL but WebP2 and TIFF are viable?
2021-05-20 05:50:21
People are weird
Scientia
2021-05-20 06:02:10
But jxl has probably the best lossless compression ratio
2021-05-20 06:02:15
Also
2021-05-20 06:02:16
Wait
2021-05-20 06:02:42
>dropped jxl because nobody is using it >webp2 is viable
2021-05-20 06:02:45
What
2021-05-20 06:03:12
Also tiff is funny because if you're using tiff you may as well use PNG lmao
2021-05-20 06:04:34
Is that comparable to PNG?
2021-05-20 06:05:00
Also wouldn't zstd in tiff be extremely incompatible with practically everything
2021-05-20 06:07:01
I say for lossless if you want compatibility you choose PNG, if you have time you zopflinate it, if you want better ratios for less compatibility you use webp lossless, and if you want best compression and least compatibility as of now you use jxl
2021-05-20 06:07:13
Webp lossless is a good compromise I think
2021-05-20 06:07:25
At least for now
2021-05-20 06:08:52
Once jxl becomes enabled in a newer chromium it becomes viable for most of the web and usage in general
_wb_
2021-05-20 06:09:18
For data science, being able to deal with more than 8-bit is nice, I'd think
Scientia
2021-05-20 06:09:33
Yes maybe that's why tiff is used
2021-05-20 06:09:43
But PNG supports up to 16 bit right?
_wb_
2021-05-20 06:09:47
Yes
2021-05-20 06:10:09
And WebP is limited to 8-bit, WebP2 to 10-bit...
Scientia
2021-05-20 06:10:22
If the format is for internal use then tiff with zstd is suited
2021-05-20 06:10:24
I think
2021-05-20 06:11:05
But the argument of "nobody is using it" is moot
2021-05-20 06:11:21
Because adoption for an internal format matters almost none
2021-05-20 06:11:47
A more legitimate issue would be speed concerns and CPU concerns
2021-05-20 06:11:59
I could understand not using it for that reason
2021-05-20 06:12:14
But that's not the reason they give
Petr
2021-05-20 06:12:52
Shouldn't we invite GerHobbelt to this server?
Scientia
2021-05-20 06:13:38
If you can get him to come <:Hypers:808826266060193874>
2021-05-20 06:13:55
The more (developers) the merrier
2021-05-20 06:14:25
That would be a legitimate concern
2021-05-20 06:14:35
But adoption isn't the issue
2021-05-20 06:15:11
Jxl isn't perfect for all scenarios especially in lossless scenarios with limited resources
_wb_
2021-05-20 06:27:14
Not really worth switching yet, not enough enabled-jxl browsers out there yet...
2021-05-20 06:29:16
Lossless with limited resources: it would be possible to make an -s 3 style encoder that uses constant memory (assuming you can feed it the input image in group-sized tiles)
2021-05-20 06:39:02
As long as you don't use Squeeze or delta palette with WP, and don't try to make a global MA tree, groups are independent and can be encoded and decoded separately.
spider-mario
2021-05-20 08:35:45
to be fair, TIFF supports floating point too
2021-05-20 08:35:51
AFAIK PNG and WebP donโ€™t
2021-05-20 08:35:55
(but JPEG XL does)
diskorduser
2021-05-20 09:03:58
Tiff supports 32bit . PNG doesn't.
fab
2021-05-20 01:54:23
That was also asked and veluca said it is possible
2021-05-20 01:54:55
But the priority is adding s2
2021-05-20 01:55:21
Or faster decoding
2021-05-20 01:55:38
He mentions more faster decoding
veluca
2021-05-20 02:06:38
when there's the option at all, yes ๐Ÿ˜„
fab
2021-05-20 02:22:16
2021-05-20 02:22:31
ANOTHER TEXT IN R/AV1 SERVER
Fox Wizard
2021-05-20 04:16:34
Frikandelbroodje met extra curry
ClenonWolf
2021-05-20 06:11:50
<:Frikandelbroodje:827322586832175184>
diskorduser
2021-05-21 04:40:30
Yes. It passes for me.
Deleted User
2021-05-21 08:12:29
Well, I'm on Samsung Galaxy Note 9, so I also have physical Samsung Knox "e-fuse" and the only way to fix it is to replace the whole motherboard, so no root and different ROM for me, I guess...
2021-05-21 08:24:20
I bought it just for the S Pen. Believe me, it's ingenious and if not that, I'd move to another phone or maybe even another company.
spider-mario
2021-05-21 11:08:13
on the positive side, they have now committed to providing security updates for at least 4 years for new products: https://www.samsungmobilepress.com/pressreleases/samsung-takes-galaxy-security-to-the-next-level-by-extending-updates
diskorduser
2021-05-21 11:30:06
I think Google is trying to separate image codecs & video codecs from OS on future Android releases. So they can be updated from playstore.
2021-05-21 11:32:27
They are doing this, so they can patch vulnerabilities.
Nova Aurora
2021-05-23 04:29:51
โค๏ธ
fab
2021-05-23 05:51:09
no is because i've deleted messages and you use only hims
diskorduser
2021-05-23 07:05:45
Android 12 will be released on September or October. Is it possible to ask them to include jxl in Android 12 ?
veluca
2021-05-23 07:08:01
nope
2021-05-23 07:08:21
but it can be in apps
diskorduser
2021-05-23 08:10:01
<@416586441058025472> continuing from <#794206170445119489> there is a Instagram mod called instander, which allows you to bypass Instagram resizing / re-encoding so you can upload high quality photos.
2021-05-23 08:20:15
Instagram supports dci p3. If your phone camera app support encoding in dci p3, You could use that. I see better colors when using p3 .
_wb_
2021-05-23 08:25:18
dci p3 or display p3? I think display p3 is more common (it's p3 primaries with the usual sRGB transfer function)
2021-05-23 08:25:33
(on phones etc I mean)
diskorduser
2021-05-23 08:28:08
I don't know thr exact name. It shows wide color or something in camera app settings.
_wb_
2021-05-23 08:29:44
Both exist, but dci p3 is used mostly in the movie industry while display p3 is what Apple started doing and I think also other phones/screens
diskorduser
2021-05-23 08:30:13
Then it should be display p3. I will check it again.
veluca
2021-05-23 08:30:27
if there's one thing I learned working on jpeg xl, it's that color is *a lot* more complicated than one would usually think...
_wb_
2021-05-23 08:31:26
Mostly needlessly complicated but yes
diskorduser
diskorduser Then it should be display p3. I will check it again.
2021-05-23 08:38:15
It says dci-p3. Not display p3
veluca
2021-05-23 08:38:49
that's... peculiar
2021-05-23 08:39:49
ah, apparently DCI-P3 *can* be the name of the combination of primaries and whitepoints...
diskorduser
2021-05-23 08:40:18
Also phone display specs say its dci-p3 compatible
veluca
2021-05-23 08:40:22
anyway the transfer curve is just a 2.6 gamma, so should be easy enough
spider-mario
2021-05-23 09:09:27
DCI-P3โ€™s white point is also a weird greenish tone
2021-05-23 09:09:45
at ~6300K
2021-05-23 09:10:07
(but greener than โ€œD63โ€)
2021-05-23 09:13:59
the curve shows daylight chromaticities, the cross is DCI-P3โ€™s white point
diskorduser
2021-05-24 10:20:38
<@!416586441058025472> Did fabian patent jpegxl? ๐Ÿค”
Scope
2021-05-24 10:24:50
I think Fabian meant that JXL is patented and that's bad(?)
2021-05-24 10:26:10
or patented things cannot be defended
_wb_
2021-05-24 10:54:38
The patent system is sad, but the way it works is that the best way to make a royalty-free codec is actually to have defensive patents in it (granted royalty-free with a defensive clause).
raysar
2021-05-25 12:48:36
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=lqda0KL7Tgg&feature=share
improver
2021-05-25 09:36:27
raysar
2021-05-25 11:10:24
2021-05-25 11:11:28
All theese ball have the same color :D brain do SO MANY visual simplifications :D
veluca
2021-05-25 11:12:07
pretty fancy as far as optical illusions go...
Pieter
2021-05-25 11:13:09
This one is pretty mind-boggling. It even works with my eyes super close to the screen.
_wb_
2021-05-26 05:25:27
This image is a good argument in favor of chroma subsampling
2021-05-26 05:25:48
(I can also give some good counterarguments though)
fab
raysar
2021-05-26 06:33:05
no they are are green blue and orange
Petr
raysar
2021-05-26 06:40:28
Cool indeed. The guy just shouldn't use lossy compression for that kind of image.
2021-05-26 06:40:45
I always say that all kids in elementary schools should be taught the difference and usage of lossy and lossless compression. 1 hour would be enough.
fab
raysar All theese ball have the same color :D brain do SO MANY visual simplifications :D
2021-05-26 06:43:49
ah are you saying in reality those circles have same colour?
190n
2021-05-26 07:00:11
yeah they're the same color, i find it easier to see if i zoom in a lot
diskorduser
fab ah are you saying in reality those circles have same colour?
2021-05-26 07:56:19
Yeah they are in same color.
Deleted User
2021-05-26 08:07:46
No, Fabian is right!
2021-05-26 08:07:48
I checked.
2021-05-26 08:08:10
e.g. one ball has hue 27.234589
2021-05-26 08:08:19
another is 27.823429
Petr
2021-05-26 08:10:36
That's the dark side of lossyโ€ฆ ๐Ÿ˜‰
_wb_
2021-05-26 08:30:13
if you recompress that image often enough, the color of the stripes will actually bleed into the balls
raysar
2021-05-26 09:47:59
It's david novick files: https://twitter.com/NovickProf
2021-05-26 09:48:10
PNG file ๐Ÿ˜ฎ
2021-05-26 09:48:51
He create so many files ๐Ÿ˜„ https://www.dropbox.com/sh/oi9wdd0uc5uc700/AAAXFo4uWPG6ZEygQ5GY50tma?dl=0.
2021-05-26 09:49:54
2021-05-26 09:51:28
it's interesting to see which color pattern is the best to mix color by the brain ๐Ÿ˜„
2021-05-26 09:53:57
2021-05-26 09:56:26
He change color when he zoom to keep the same visual color perception ๐Ÿ˜„ https://www.dropbox.com/sh/oi9wdd0uc5uc700/AAAXFo4uWPG6ZEygQ5GY50tma?dl=0.&preview=Dynamic.mp4
2021-05-26 10:02:27
in motion brain is better ๐Ÿ˜„ https://www.dropbox.com/sh/oi9wdd0uc5uc700/AAAXFo4uWPG6ZEygQ5GY50tma?dl=0.&preview=Curtain+1.mov
diskorduser
2021-05-26 10:05:38
https://youtu.be/Ot8YhBWUfGs
monad
2021-05-26 03:38:41
It speeds up when carried.
Scientia
2021-05-27 05:27:31
if you nearest neighbor these a lot they actually look like the illusion<@!231086792315633664>
2021-05-27 05:27:48
especially a downscale and an upscale with AI will make them look like the illusion
2021-05-27 05:27:53
<:Hypers:808826266060193874>
2021-05-27 05:28:41
2021-05-27 05:29:06
using a bunch of downscales and AI upscales I got this result
2021-05-27 05:29:16
looks exactly how it seems at first
_wb_
2021-05-27 05:53:39
Would be funny input for a generarion loss test
Pieter
_wb_ Would be funny input for a generarion loss test
2021-05-27 05:54:30
By funny you mean excruciating?
rappet
2021-05-28 04:58:26
I just found JPEG XL because of the new german copyright law.
2021-05-28 04:58:51
So you are allowed to share images without problems if they are <125kb
veluca
2021-05-28 04:59:19
what?
2021-05-28 04:59:31
that's an... interesting... threshold
rappet
2021-05-28 05:00:31
It's the "meme" paragraph.
_wb_
2021-05-28 05:09:48
Uh
2021-05-28 05:10:04
So much for copyrighting jxl-art
2021-05-28 05:10:48
So better compression means fewer copyrighted images?
2021-05-28 05:11:07
That is an interesting new motivation to do compression research, haha
rappet
2021-05-28 05:12:56
Oh not exactly like that
2021-05-28 05:13:45
If you post a image on your 100k visits news page you can still get in trouble, but you should ask not me for the details.
2021-05-28 05:15:18
You might be able to classify jxl-art as vector graphics.
veluca
2021-05-28 05:15:37
that'd be some interesting classification criterion then xD
rappet
rappet You might be able to classify jxl-art as vector graphics.
2021-05-28 05:15:55
But that might imply JPEGs are vector graphics.
2021-05-28 05:16:14
So if you want to give some lawyers a headache...
_wb_
2021-05-28 05:20:21
2021-05-28 05:22:20
<:WhatThe:806133036059197491>
Deleted User
2021-05-28 06:24:33
If I upload images to Cloudinary, which countries' law do I have to follow? The one where Cloudinary has its headquarters? The one where Cloudinary has its servers storing my uploads? The one I'm uploading from? The one my IP address is from? The one where "cloudinary.com" was registered? All of them?
_wb_
2021-05-28 06:25:26
Good question
2021-05-28 06:25:43
It might be the country you are a citizen of
2021-05-28 06:26:04
At least for some aspects of it
2021-05-28 06:27:02
For some aspects it might be USA
2021-05-28 06:28:08
Probably best not to do things that are illegal in USA or illegal in your own country
Pieter
2021-05-28 06:47:59
IANAL, but I believe generally businesses need to comply with both laws of jurisdictions they are registered in, plus the laws of jurisdictions of customers they do business with.
BlueSwordM
2021-05-29 01:55:18
<@456226577798135808> That was not a good idea...
2021-05-29 01:58:13
Goodbye <@456226577798135808> ๐Ÿ‘‹
2021-05-29 01:58:28
You will be banned from this server <:SadOrange:806131742636507177>
Deleted User
2021-05-29 02:03:29
It was nice to see you @everyone <:kekw:808717074305122316>
190n
2021-05-29 02:04:30
wait anyone can ping <:monkaMega:809252622900789269>
killerwhale
2021-05-29 02:04:48
<:monkaMega:809252622900789269>
190n
2021-05-29 02:04:50
@everyoโ€” _\*banned\*_
monad
2021-05-29 02:05:00
Anyone can, but ziemek.z is the only one brave enough to do it multiple times.
Paint_Ninja
2021-05-29 02:05:18
`@anyone` who wants to play ping roulette?
mincerafter42
2021-05-29 02:05:33
I have been pinged again
Deleted User
monad Anyone can, but ziemek.z is the only one brave enough to do it multiple times.
2021-05-29 02:05:52
Only two times, to be exact, but it still technically counts as multiple, so...
Scientia
2021-05-29 02:05:56
quite bad
2021-05-29 02:06:02
does voteban work even?
2021-05-29 02:06:04
!votekick
2021-05-29 02:06:09
!voteban
2021-05-29 02:06:10
nope
2021-05-29 02:06:11
lol
Deleted User
Scientia nope
2021-05-29 02:06:33
https://tenor.com/view/lotr-lord-of-the-rings-theoden-king-of-rohan-you-have-no-power-here-gif-4952489
BlueSwordM
2021-05-29 02:06:54
<@!179701849576833024> I think it's time to remove pinging permissions in regards to @ everyone and @ here.
Scientia
2021-05-29 02:07:03
yeah.......
Paint_Ninja
2021-05-29 02:07:06
@anyone
improver
2021-05-29 02:07:15
mods are asleep :^)
Scientia
2021-05-29 02:07:19
it's a wonder sophia or fabian hasn't discovered this power
Deleted User
2021-05-29 02:07:22
I've only pinged everyone 2 times. Now imagine Fabian doing that
monad
2021-05-29 02:07:29
Ultimately, this will be a productive troll.
BlueSwordM
2021-05-29 02:07:55
Actually, I think it's time to give me mod role <:ReeCat:806087208678588437>
Jake
2021-05-29 02:08:26
Fabian is here?
BlueSwordM
2021-05-29 02:08:37
He's everywhere <:PepeOK:805388754545934396>
2021-05-29 02:08:43
He's all encompassing and all viewing.
Scientia
2021-05-29 02:08:49
i'm going to do it
BlueSwordM
2021-05-29 02:08:50
<:Stonks:806137886726553651>
Scientia
2021-05-29 02:08:51
<@!416586441058025472>
Jake
2021-05-29 02:08:57
I hope he doesn't see into my restroom window.
Deleted User
Scientia <@!416586441058025472>
2021-05-29 02:09:08
NOOOOOOO
monad
2021-05-29 02:13:55
I wonder if this is still a thing.
Deleted User
2021-05-29 02:15:37
https://youtu.be/WGDU5xifwRQ
666666t
2021-05-29 02:15:49
gods that video is great
Pieter
2021-05-29 02:16:05
Aww and here I was thinking people were messaging me!
monad
2021-05-29 02:17:40
(to be clear, I wasn't pinging @ here, as you can see in the message)
il1kesonic
2021-05-29 02:58:02
<@!336697008356327444>
2021-05-29 02:58:03
hi
Scientia
monad I wonder if this is still a thing.
2021-05-29 05:06:02
also it doesn't work if you backslash
monad
2021-05-29 05:37:11
What doesn't work?
veluca
2021-05-29 06:08:33
That was surprisingly spammy ๐Ÿคฃ
Scientia
monad What doesn't work?
2021-05-29 06:09:21
the @ everyone warning
monad
2021-05-29 06:21:14
Mm. I was pinging a user though.
_wb_
2021-05-29 06:22:28
So @ here is supposed to only ping people in that channel who are online, while @ everyone pings the whole server
2021-05-29 06:23:03
Only devs and core devs can do that now
2021-05-29 06:26:34
And probably shouldn't, except if there's some really breaking news like "safari is adding jxl support" or "major security bug found, malicious jxl file can install virus on chrome"
Pieter
2021-05-29 06:28:14
"jxl turns out to be turing complete; cjxl accidentally proves P=NP"
veluca
2021-05-29 06:32:33
I am somewhat tempted to do one global ping just because xD but maybe just pinging <@456226577798135808> a few times is a good revenge anyway...