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Pieter
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2021-03-17 04:49:31
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I suspect that's just some ICC profile stuff. Lossless shouldn't change any of the pixel data.
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Nova Aurora
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Pieter
I suspect that's just some ICC profile stuff. Lossless shouldn't change any of the pixel data.
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2021-03-17 04:51:12
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Keyword: shouldn't, we know heic at least breaks this rule
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Pieter
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2021-03-17 04:55:48
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I assume cjxl is more sane in that regard.
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diskorduser
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2021-03-17 04:58:25
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I have stripped icc and other color related info from source image before converting to jxl using imagemagick strip command. 🤔
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2021-03-17 05:54:44
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A ppm file doesn't use color / icc information. right?
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_wb_
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diskorduser
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 05:57:02
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Lossless is lossless, it even preserves the icc profile of the input image losslessly
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diskorduser
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2021-03-17 05:58:43
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I think I am doing something wrong then.
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 05:59:33
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What are you doing?
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diskorduser
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2021-03-17 06:00:27
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I see difference b/w source and lossless jxl
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 06:01:34
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What is the source?
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2021-03-17 06:02:10
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Grayscale images tend to be handled wrong in a lot of software
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2021-03-17 06:03:44
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Could be we also have a bug there
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2021-03-17 06:04:03
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Or could be your viewer is doing something wrong
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diskorduser
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2021-03-17 06:04:26
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I will check it again. 🙂
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2021-03-17 06:23:19
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`[arun@hp-laptop tmp]$ convert ~/Pictures/wallhaven-y882k7.png -strip -scale 300x s.png
[arun@hp-laptop tmp]$ cjxl s.png t.jxl -m
J P E G \/ |
/\ |_ e n c o d e r [v0.3.3 | SIMD supported: AVX2,SSE4,Scalar]
Read 300x169 image, 3.8 MP/s
Encoding [Modular, lossless, squirrel], 2 threads.
Compressed to 68000 bytes (10.730 bpp).
300 x 169, 0.28 MP/s [0.28, 0.28], 1 reps, 2 threads.
[arun@hp-laptop tmp]$ djxl t.jxl c.png
Read 68000 compressed bytes [v0.3.3 | SIMD supported: AVX2,SSE4,Scalar]
Decoded to pixels.
Done.
300 x 169, 0.82 MP/s [0.82, 0.82], 1 reps, 2 threads.
Allocations: 233 (max bytes in use: 5.700936E+06)
[arun@hp-laptop tmp]$ compare s.png c.png diff.png
[arun@hp-laptop tmp]$ compare c.png s.png diff1.png`
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2021-03-17 06:24:21
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diff image -> https://i.ibb.co/4s35Mq3/diff.png
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 06:27:17
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I don't see anything on the diff image, on my phone. Try compare -metric psnr
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2021-03-17 06:27:22
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Or -metric pae
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diskorduser
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 06:33:17
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What number does it report?
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diskorduser
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2021-03-17 06:33:47
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nvm. I was stupid
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2021-03-17 06:33:57
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Ha Ha
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 06:41:07
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Ok no worries, sometimes there are bugs so doesn't hurt to check things 😀
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diskorduser
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2021-03-17 06:42:31
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I forgot to add `-compose src` at compare command. so I was expecting a clean grey image.
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Scope
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2021-03-17 07:26:36
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<@!794205442175402004> <@!179701849576833024> I found some public photo with similar encoding behavior
```cjpeg -quality 50
TotalMilliseconds : 1310,1607
cjxl -s 3 -q 50 --num_threads 0
Read 4922x3017 image, 77.1 MP/s
Encoding [Container | VarDCT, d4.600, falcon | 9398-byte Exif], 0 threads.
Compressed to 1099419 bytes (0.592 bpp).
4922 x 3017, 2.21 MP/s [2.21, 2.21], 1 reps, 0 threads.
TotalMilliseconds : 7025,5797
```
Without Exif
```Read 4922x3017 image, 33.0 MP/s
Encoding [VarDCT, d4.600, falcon], 0 threads.
Compressed to 1064663 bytes (0.574 bpp).
4922 x 3017, 29.11 MP/s [29.11, 29.11], 1 reps, 0 threads.
TotalMilliseconds : 1065,9623
```
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50551002028_1738fd834f_o_d.jpg
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 08:33:38
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I think it's not the exif after all
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2021-03-17 08:33:54
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it's the color conversion
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2021-03-17 08:34:52
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that's an Adobe 1998 image, and for some reason the color conversion is really slow
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2021-03-17 08:35:16
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for me the difference isn't that big, but I guess it depends on what color management is used
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veluca
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Scope
Also about -s 3 and -s 4, although this is a very low bpp, but I have noticed other images when -s 4 was worse than -s 3
https://discord.com/channels/794206087879852103/803645746661425173/816734243631005736
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2021-03-17 08:40:12
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yeah, if you use lcms, good luck getting that done quickly - I believe it will do one pow() per pixel...
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Scope
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2021-03-17 09:55:52
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If this is not a bug, then good, but compiling with skcms will require more steps because it does not exist in MSYS2 packages
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veluca
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2021-03-17 09:57:39
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uhm, isn't it included as a submodule in jxl?
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Scope
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2021-03-17 09:59:29
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Probably yes, is it used in priority by default?
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veluca
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2021-03-17 10:00:51
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I *think* so, at least since a while ago - you might have to clear your build dir
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Scope
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2021-03-17 10:01:34
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Then I'll try
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spider-mario
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2021-03-17 10:29:41
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yeah, building with msys2 doesn’t require anything that doesn’t have a msys2 package
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Scope
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Scope
<@!794205442175402004> <@!179701849576833024> I found some public photo with similar encoding behavior
```cjpeg -quality 50
TotalMilliseconds : 1310,1607
cjxl -s 3 -q 50 --num_threads 0
Read 4922x3017 image, 77.1 MP/s
Encoding [Container | VarDCT, d4.600, falcon | 9398-byte Exif], 0 threads.
Compressed to 1099419 bytes (0.592 bpp).
4922 x 3017, 2.21 MP/s [2.21, 2.21], 1 reps, 0 threads.
TotalMilliseconds : 7025,5797
```
Without Exif
```Read 4922x3017 image, 33.0 MP/s
Encoding [VarDCT, d4.600, falcon], 0 threads.
Compressed to 1064663 bytes (0.574 bpp).
4922 x 3017, 29.11 MP/s [29.11, 29.11], 1 reps, 0 threads.
TotalMilliseconds : 1065,9623
```
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50551002028_1738fd834f_o_d.jpg
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2021-03-17 10:34:08
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skcms
```cjpeg.exe -quality 50
TotalMilliseconds : 1294,2391
cjxl -s 3 -q 50 --num_threads 0
Read 4922x3017 image, 76.2 MP/s
Encoding [Container | VarDCT, d4.600, falcon | 9398-byte Exif], 0 threads.
Compressed to 1099408 bytes (0.592 bpp).
4922 x 3017, 20.30 MP/s [20.30, 20.30], 1 reps, 0 threads.
TotalMilliseconds : 1115,7639
```
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2021-03-17 10:36:46
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Yep it's lcms2
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2021-03-17 10:46:19
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I realized why I also turned it off, because I was trying to mimic the m-ab-s compilation (because people use it and to find bugs there as well), and:
<https://github.com/m-ab-s/media-autobuild_suite/commit/04a2c59461ca3699b3f3a9907c73796b4102679c#diff-adfad29200df8b40f03fd8670a191195ff4f98c0160a7b12ada8caa8cb824c75R1117>
```do_cmake global -D{BUILD_TESTING,JPEGXL_{ENABLE_BENCHMARK,ENABLE_OPENEXR,ENABLE_SKCMS}}=OFF \```
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2021-03-17 10:46:55
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<https://github.com/m-ab-s/media-autobuild_suite/commit/04a2c59461ca3699b3f3a9907c73796b4102679c#diff-adfad29200df8b40f03fd8670a191195ff4f98c0160a7b12ada8caa8cb824c75R1115>
```do_pacman_install lcms2```
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 02:50:00
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2021-03-17 02:54:49
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I wrote an article that made the cover of IX Magazine, but I haven't actually seen it yet in its translated form and with layout 🙂
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Jyrki Alakuijala
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2021-03-17 03:05:34
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new comparison at https://storage.googleapis.com/demos.webmproject.org/webp/cmp/index.html
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Jim
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2021-03-17 03:05:41
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There are hardly any computer magazines left here, so good to see you still have some in circ. I'm sure it's a great article but would not be able to read it.
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Lastrosade
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2021-03-17 03:08:05
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Could someone ELI5 me why this comparison website always has such big color diff between some codecs ?
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2021-03-17 03:08:53
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 03:10:38
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wow they even took the diagrams and completely redid them in their house style, with translation to German
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2021-03-17 03:11:24
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it's a 4 page article in the magazine
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Scope
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Lastrosade
Could someone ELI5 me why this comparison website always has such big color diff between some codecs ?
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2021-03-17 03:13:22
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It's a browser bug
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 03:13:36
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this is the diagram I gave them 🙂
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2021-03-17 03:13:48
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ugh not in that resolution
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2021-03-17 03:14:02
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the one at the bottom of https://sneyers.info/jxl/
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Lastrosade
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2021-03-17 03:14:19
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oh spinny logo!
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Deleted User
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2021-03-17 03:14:29
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Quick question: can splines, dots and patches be used in Modular (outside VarDCT)?
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 03:14:38
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yes they can
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2021-03-17 03:14:43
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patches already are
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Deleted User
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2021-03-17 03:14:52
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OK, thanks
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 03:15:04
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splines are not used by the encoder but it could use them in any mode iirc
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Deleted User
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2021-03-17 03:15:10
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That's for Polish Wikipedia article, just wanted to make sure
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veluca
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2021-03-17 03:15:15
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dots == patches as far as the decoder is concerned
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 03:15:32
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dots don't really exist as a coding tool anymore, it's just an encoder thing to call some patches dots
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Petr
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_wb_
it's a 4 page article in the magazine
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2021-03-17 03:15:47
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It could be a good starting point for an article on German Wikipedia. I hope that some Wikipedians will read that magazine. 😁
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Lastrosade
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2021-03-17 03:18:39
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oh wait
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2021-03-17 03:18:41
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2021-03-17 03:18:47
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I can make animations with cjxl ?
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2021-03-17 03:19:16
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oh
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2021-03-17 03:19:31
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I just noticed the fact that cjxl takes gif and apng as inputs
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Deleted User
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2021-03-17 03:19:36
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Good luck viewing them though.
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Lastrosade
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2021-03-17 03:20:36
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is .jxl the extention for animated jxl ? or something like .ajxl ?
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 03:22:36
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we don't tend to care about extensions
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Petr
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Lastrosade
oh spinny logo!
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2021-03-17 03:23:37
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It's called ambigram (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambigram)
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 03:24:19
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my jxl files usually have extensions like `.jxl-s5-d3-test_2-new-doesitworknow`
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Lastrosade
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Petr
It's called ambigram (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambigram)
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2021-03-17 03:24:22
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oh I hadn't noticed that, just that it was spinning :D
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 03:24:53
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it's only doing 180 turns 🙂
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Lastrosade
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2021-03-17 03:25:32
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I used to make the whole page spin for my boss to understand that they were demos and not ready for shipping
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2021-03-17 03:25:40
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also I put ducks everywhere
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Petr
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_wb_
it's only doing 180 turns 🙂
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2021-03-17 03:27:46
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It's so cool! I guess it could attract people. Could we actually use this logo on Wikipedia? I know it's unofficial but the official one apparently can't be used because of its licensing.
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 03:29:10
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actually...
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2021-03-17 03:29:34
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that's the licensing info for the official logo
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2021-03-17 03:29:49
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is that not compatible with wikipedia?
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Petr
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2021-03-17 03:30:32
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I've checked that some time ago and it really is incompatible, at least with Wikimedia Commons.
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 03:31:04
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if the NoDerivatives of clause b is an issue, then we can use clause c and have a regular CC-BY license, that should be ok, no?
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Scope
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2021-03-17 03:31:23
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https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/4.0/
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 03:33:34
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oh wait, clause c doesn't really help because it's a conditional CC-BY that just allows me to modify any JPEG logo (because I am a committee member) and then release that under the CC-BY-ND again
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Petr
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_wb_
oh wait, clause c doesn't really help because it's a conditional CC-BY that just allows me to modify any JPEG logo (because I am a committee member) and then release that under the CC-BY-ND again
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2021-03-17 03:34:20
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Exactly… 😢
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 03:35:50
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is NoDerivatives an issue? Wikipedia doesn't need to make any modifications/derivatives, does it?
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BlueSwordM
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2021-03-17 03:39:45
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<@456226577798135808> Viewing animations seems to heavily depend on the player for some reason.
On Linux, Gwenview views JXL animations just fine. However, nomacs doesn't seem to be able to.
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Jyrki Alakuijala
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2021-03-17 03:39:46
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competition for libjxl logos? 🙂
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Scope
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190n
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2021-03-17 03:46:08
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J<:Poggers:805392625934663710> XL
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Petr
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Jyrki Alakuijala
competition for libjxl logos? 🙂
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2021-03-17 03:48:12
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2 existing logos aren't enough?? 😉
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Crixis
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2021-03-17 03:48:37
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J \\/
/\ L
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Jyrki Alakuijala
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2021-03-17 03:48:42
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we need more logos
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Crixis
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2021-03-17 03:49:25
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J><L
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2021-03-17 03:50:32
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|\\/|
j/\L
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Jyrki Alakuijala
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2021-03-17 03:51:16
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that's it -- perfect
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 03:51:59
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```
_ _ _ _
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\_| _/\_ |_/
```
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Lastrosade
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2021-03-17 03:53:05
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2021-03-17 03:53:28
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Would comic sans pose any problems license wise ?
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 03:54:22
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ʲ 𝕏 𝕃
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Petr
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_wb_
is NoDerivatives an issue? Wikipedia doesn't need to make any modifications/derivatives, does it?
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2021-03-17 03:54:29
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NoDerivatives means a no-go on Commons (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:First_steps/License_selection)
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2021-03-17 03:55:38
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So I vote for the existing ambigram logo for Wikipedia.
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Jim
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Lastrosade
Would comic sans pose any problems license wise ?
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2021-03-17 03:56:47
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Apparently you can.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/typography/fonts/font-faq
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_wb_
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Petr
So I vote for the existing ambigram logo for Wikipedia.
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2021-03-17 03:57:07
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I didn't make that one myself, my colleague Boaz made it
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Crixis
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2021-03-17 03:57:07
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```
\\ // _
== \\ // | |
|| \V/ | |
|| / ^ \ | |
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\\_// // \\ | ______|
- // \\
```
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 03:57:37
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i'll ask him if it's OK
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Petr
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_wb_
i'll ask him if it's OK
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2021-03-17 03:59:04
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A good chance for him to become famous. 😄
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Scope
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2021-03-17 03:59:12
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We always have Fabian fonts as a backup plan
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Lastrosade
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2021-03-17 03:59:34
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fabian is a mistery to me
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Crixis
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2021-03-17 03:59:43
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it as copyright if you can't read it?
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Jim
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2021-03-17 04:00:28
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Pretty sure you can copyright any artistic work, regardless of readability.
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Lastrosade
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2021-03-17 04:00:52
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its an abstract font, its beyond letters
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 04:03:03
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I think it makes sense to use <:JPEG_XL:805860709039865937> as the 'official' logo for the image codec itself, and <:JXL:805850130203934781> (or something else if someone has something better) for libjxl, the reference software.
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2021-03-17 04:40:20
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https://www.heise.de/select/ix/2021/4/2101218031038914464
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2021-03-17 04:40:54
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I didn't realize at first that this is a 3D version of the JPEG logo
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2021-03-17 04:41:31
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<:JPEG_XL:805860709039865937>
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Scope
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2021-03-17 04:45:52
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It would be interesting to have different variations for each Jpeg standard
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Deleted User
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2021-03-17 04:46:44
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Seems like that magazine really did some proper job...
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_wb_
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Petr
A good chance for him to become famous. 😄
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2021-03-17 06:42:46
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It's ok 😃
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2021-03-17 06:43:18
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Can put the <:JXL:805850130203934781> logo on wikipedia or anywhere else if you want
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spider-mario
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2021-03-17 06:49:04
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this sort of graphics reminds me of when I was younger and trying to play with POV-Ray because I was impressed with some of the examples
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2021-03-17 06:49:10
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(never really managed to do much myself)
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 06:50:14
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Haha yes it does look a bit like a raytracing hello world example, I guess
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Nova Aurora
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2021-03-17 06:50:23
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Has the <:JXL:805850130203934781> logo been turned into an animated .jxl?
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 06:50:45
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On my website it's an svg that is animated with css
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2021-03-17 06:51:31
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You could probably also make an svg that is animated itself, I dunno
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2021-03-17 06:51:48
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That is likely to be optimal in this case
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2021-03-17 06:52:29
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The svg is pretty small, even without compressing it
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Nova Aurora
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2021-03-17 06:53:04
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So what I'm hearing is that there isn't a .jxl of the <:JXL:805850130203934781> logo
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 06:57:23
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There's also no .jxl of the jxl spec
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2021-03-17 06:57:53
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Not everything is best done as a raster image 😅
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Pieter
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2021-03-17 06:58:21
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Does the jxl spec mention the .jxl extension?
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Deleted User
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2021-03-17 07:06:51
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Am I too late with my submission?
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2021-03-17 07:06:52
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2021-03-17 07:06:52
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_wb_
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2021-03-17 07:07:16
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Oooo
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2021-03-17 07:07:24
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Nice one
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2021-03-17 07:07:43
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https://c.tenor.com/3LdtTbWoomMAAAAM/transformers.gif
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2021-03-17 07:07:53
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Has a bit of this vibe, lol
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Crixis
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fab
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2021-03-17 07:23:59
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crixis i'm frial456 on wikipedia en article
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2021-03-17 07:24:06
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check last two edits
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2021-03-17 07:24:13
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only two are
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2021-03-17 07:24:33
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are minor edits
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2021-03-17 07:43:52
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https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPEG_XL
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2021-03-17 07:43:59
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updated other than crixis
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2021-03-17 07:44:16
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translated other section
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2021-03-17 07:44:42
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the technic part isn't my fault
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Petr
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_wb_
Can put the <:JXL:805850130203934781> logo on wikipedia or anywhere else if you want
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2021-03-17 08:19:32
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I could do that. The thing is licensing. If I'm right, there are 2 options:
The author uploads it himself.
The author publishes it somewhere else with a suitable license and someone then uploads it.
I'll look into it tomorrow.
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fab
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2021-03-17 08:21:41
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crixis
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2021-03-17 08:21:54
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there are jyri araylla and all author name in the citations
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2021-03-17 08:21:58
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alakuijala
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2021-03-17 08:22:13
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is something that jon added
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2021-03-17 08:34:09
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most is completed now for italian
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2021-03-17 08:34:17
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it looks very similar to english
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Eugene Vert
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Scope
<@!794205442175402004> <@!179701849576833024> I found some public photo with similar encoding behavior
```cjpeg -quality 50
TotalMilliseconds : 1310,1607
cjxl -s 3 -q 50 --num_threads 0
Read 4922x3017 image, 77.1 MP/s
Encoding [Container | VarDCT, d4.600, falcon | 9398-byte Exif], 0 threads.
Compressed to 1099419 bytes (0.592 bpp).
4922 x 3017, 2.21 MP/s [2.21, 2.21], 1 reps, 0 threads.
TotalMilliseconds : 7025,5797
```
Without Exif
```Read 4922x3017 image, 33.0 MP/s
Encoding [VarDCT, d4.600, falcon], 0 threads.
Compressed to 1064663 bytes (0.574 bpp).
4922 x 3017, 29.11 MP/s [29.11, 29.11], 1 reps, 0 threads.
TotalMilliseconds : 1065,9623
```
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50551002028_1738fd834f_o_d.jpg
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2021-03-17 08:39:05
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Also, I can't view this (cjxl in.jpg -j out.jxl) image with novomesk/qt-jpegxl plugin, keep getting "Illegal instruction" and message "color_encoding_internal.h:314: JXL_DASSERT: have_fields_", but djxl works fine
Upd: fixed by setting -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release in PKGBUILD from Arch AUR
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Scope
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2021-03-17 08:43:24
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I haven't tried with `-j`, but it worked in nomacs with normal lossy compression in jxl (like `-q 50` `-q 90`) for me
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2021-03-17 08:45:50
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Nova Aurora
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Eugene Vert
Also, I can't view this (cjxl in.jpg -j out.jxl) image with novomesk/qt-jpegxl plugin, keep getting "Illegal instruction" and message "color_encoding_internal.h:314: JXL_DASSERT: have_fields_", but djxl works fine
Upd: fixed by setting -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release in PKGBUILD from Arch AUR
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2021-03-17 08:46:02
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It works for me on qt-jpeg-xl qview
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fab
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2021-03-17 09:15:28
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2021-03-17 09:15:37
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sorry for small resolution
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2021-03-17 09:16:00
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this is the code of the infobox i made with visual editor and put in up
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2021-03-17 09:16:09
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like the english version
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2021-03-17 09:16:19
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but it doin't display correctly
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2021-03-17 09:16:47
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tomorrow you can fix with link to lossy and lossless italian
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2021-03-17 09:16:58
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and the link of jpeg and jon sneyers
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2021-03-17 09:17:13
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link are not present and the infobox don't display as you can see
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2021-03-17 09:17:26
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it's only first 5 lines
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2021-03-17 09:18:11
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2021-03-17 09:18:15
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https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPEG_XL
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2021-03-17 09:18:26
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notice the weird line at the right
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2021-03-17 09:18:42
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but the source is there
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2021-03-17 09:18:58
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also note 12> don't work
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2021-03-17 09:19:08
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to me it displays red message the one from GIMP
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2021-03-17 09:19:18
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supporto proposto proposed support
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2021-03-17 09:24:19
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added the external links
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Eugene Vert
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Nova Aurora
It works for me on qt-jpeg-xl qview
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2021-03-17 09:40:04
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Jxl viewer (jpeg-xl/tools/viewer) displays message "Failed to find usable monitor profile. Images will be shown assuming that the monitor's colorspace is sRGB", but image is being displayed
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Nova Aurora
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2021-03-17 09:41:03
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Sounds like that's specific to those with non-rgb monitors
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2021-03-17 09:41:17
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Sorry I can't help you then
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Eugene Vert
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Eugene Vert
Jxl viewer (jpeg-xl/tools/viewer) displays message "Failed to find usable monitor profile. Images will be shown assuming that the monitor's colorspace is sRGB", but image is being displayed
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2021-03-17 10:02:25
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Setting up colord (by installing colord-kde on kde) fixed this message, but not the issue with qt viewers/thumbnails
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Nova Aurora
Sounds like that's specific to those with non-rgb monitors
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2021-03-17 11:31:17
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Fixed by setting -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release
In Arch aur PKGBUILD, for some reason, build type is set to "NONE". Sorry to bother you
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diskorduser
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Nova Aurora
Sorry I can't help you then
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2021-03-18 02:36:10
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Are you novomesk, qt & gimp plugin developer? (github)
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Nova Aurora
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2021-03-18 02:36:20
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no
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2021-03-18 02:36:52
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I'm a random person on the internet that sometimes has helpful advice (not that often though)
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diskorduser
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BlueSwordM
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2021-03-18 04:17:09
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I've encoded this image
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2021-03-18 04:17:28
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Here's what `perf` with lossless s7 gave me:
``` 41.00% cjxl cjxl [.] jxl::N_AVX2::FindBestSplit ◆
8.44% cjxl cjxl [.] jxl::TreeSamples::ThreeShuffle ▒
6.83% cjxl cjxl [.] jxl::TreeSamples::AddToTableAndMerge ▒
6.26% cjxl cjxl [.] jxl::EncodeModularChannelMAANS ▒
6.26% cjxl cjxl [.] jxl::ModularFrameEncoder::PrepareStreamParams ▒
5.37% cjxl cjxl [.] jxl::N_AVX2::SplitTreeSamples ```
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2021-03-18 04:18:50
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It's always interesting to see what takes the most time <:Thonk:805904896879493180>
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_wb_
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2021-03-18 06:43:32
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MA tree learning does (that's what those top 3 functions are doing)
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2021-03-18 06:45:53
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Which is something that can be done in many ways. It's very much possible that there are faster ways that are also better. It's a huge search space though, any practical algorithm/heuristic will be very far from exhaustive.
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Petr
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_wb_
Can put the <:JXL:805850130203934781> logo on wikipedia or anywhere else if you want
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2021-03-18 08:20:32
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OK, I've studied it and it seems to me that the best option would be as follows:
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2021-03-18 08:20:45
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Step 1: I will upload the file https://sneyers.info/jxl/jxl.svg to Wikimedia Commons, mark it as pending the approval from the author and share the result here.
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2021-03-18 08:20:51
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Step 2: Boaz will complete this https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikimedia_OTRS_release_generator and share the result here.
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2021-03-18 08:21:01
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Alternatively, if we don't want to flood other discorders here, I could communicate with Boaz directly if you tell me his e-mail address etc.
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_wb_
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2021-03-18 08:31:21
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I'll ask him to upload it himself, that's maybe easier
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Petr
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_wb_
I'll ask him to upload it himself, that's maybe easier
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2021-03-18 08:34:02
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OK, great. I suggest to name the file "JPEG XL unofficial logo.svg" to avoid the "paperwork" with renaming it later.
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fab
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2021-03-18 08:52:41
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crixis are you there
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2021-03-18 09:13:17
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no animated images
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2021-03-18 01:16:44
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https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPEG_XL
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2021-03-18 01:16:51
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now it has a little tab
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2021-03-18 01:17:07
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and the . dot before context modellation
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2021-03-18 01:17:33
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context model
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2021-03-18 01:22:25
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durare altrettanto tempo sounds bad to me
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2021-03-18 01:22:33
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i speak with prepositions
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2021-03-18 01:22:45
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but not sure if is durare per altrettanto tempo
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2021-03-18 01:23:20
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first 3 parts are written by crixis with 4 citation that is the pdf document of jpegorg maybe with archive.org
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2021-03-18 01:28:06
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the url hasn't the :
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2021-03-18 01:28:49
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2021-03-18 01:29:07
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but in the edit i see it
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2021-03-18 01:29:26
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also i don't know how to translat media type
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2021-03-18 01:29:57
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this is something maybe the authors that started the article can fix it
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2021-03-18 01:35:19
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<@456226577798135808> the article maybe can obstacle adoption and support from journalists that makes magazine for italy
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2021-03-18 01:50:48
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but personally i won't change anything
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2021-03-18 01:51:16
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apart from adding when the parts of the standard are complete
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2021-03-18 01:51:49
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or a slight logo chosen by the org
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Deleted User
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2021-03-18 01:53:12
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<@416586441058025472> translation of the English version was the beginning, I'll probably write more in the future
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fab
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2021-03-18 01:53:33
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so wasn't petr to add in the english article
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2021-03-18 01:53:42
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you did the czeck
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2021-03-18 01:53:50
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petr did the other language
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Deleted User
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2021-03-18 01:56:05
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I did Polish and Petr did Czech
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Jyrki Alakuijala
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2021-03-18 01:57:19
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yay
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2021-03-18 01:58:07
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I'd prefer if we add authors and developers into these pages like in brotli
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fab
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2021-03-18 02:01:58
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and english who made contributions of the two
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2021-03-18 02:02:12
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i guess is not about native english
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2021-03-18 02:02:29
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one of the two added something in these days
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2021-03-18 02:02:35
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in the en wiki
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2021-03-18 02:03:18
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to me for %i in (C:\Users\User\Documents\fr\*.jpg) do cjxl "%i" "%i.jxl" -m -q 49.9 -s 6 -I 1 -C 2 -P 4 --palette=132 --num_threads=2
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2021-03-18 02:03:24
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is transparent enough
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2021-03-18 02:03:51
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i'm testing the file size
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2021-03-18 02:03:59
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with the sample of yesterday i got 198 kb
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2021-03-18 02:04:19
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jpeg was 167 kb
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2021-03-18 02:08:39
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for %i in (C:\Users\User\Documents\LD3\*.jpg) do cjxl "%i" "%i.jxl" -m -q 49.9 -s 6 -I 1 -C 2 -P 4 --palette=132 --num_threads=2
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2021-03-18 02:09:37
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11,2 MB OF JPG MADE IT 3,22 MB (3.378.561 byte
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Jyrki Alakuijala
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2021-03-18 02:18:10
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I consider main authors of JPEG XL coding to be Jon, Luca and me
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Deleted User
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2021-03-18 02:19:04
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Is Luca on Discord?
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BlueSwordM
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2021-03-18 02:19:13
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Nah, I'm the main author of JPEG-XL. <:kekw:808717074305122316>
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veluca
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Is Luca on Discord?
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2021-03-18 02:19:16
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no! 😛
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Deleted User
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2021-03-18 02:19:21
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Ah, veLuca.
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veluca
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2021-03-18 02:20:43
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yup
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2021-03-18 02:21:04
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it's for Ve(rsari) Luca - back from when I was 12 or so xD
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Scope
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2021-03-18 02:40:58
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Main authors of JPEG XL coding to be Versari, Luca and veluca
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_wb_
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2021-03-18 02:44:56
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The J is for Jyrki and Jon, the L is for Luca. The X was for Xavier but turned out there was no Xavier involved after all.
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BlueSwordM
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2021-03-18 02:46:41
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There are 3 people in this room right now: me, myself and I.
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fab
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2021-03-18 02:56:11
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when french or spanish article of jpeg xl in wikipedia
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Deleted User
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2021-03-18 02:56:52
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When there will be anyone knowing those languages and willing to write an article
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BlueSwordM
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fab
when french or spanish article of jpeg xl in wikipedia
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2021-03-18 02:59:32
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When I stop being lazy lol
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Jyrki Alakuijala
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_wb_
The J is for Jyrki and Jon, the L is for Luca. The X was for Xavier but turned out there was no Xavier involved after all.
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2021-03-18 03:02:59
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X for for Zoltan, but there was a programmer's off-by-one, ... ops, off-by-two
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Deleted User
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2021-03-18 03:04:17
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Oh, by the way: what was Zoltan's contribution to JPEG XL?
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Scope
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2021-03-18 03:04:46
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<@!794205442175402004> From the links I think we should add (< and > hides previews for links in discord)
<https://sneyers.info/jxl/>
<https://www.reddit.com/r/jpegxl/>
JXL viewers for Windows (because I often notice that people ask for it)
<https://www.xnview.com/>
<https://www.reddit.com/r/jpegxl/comments/l4nwb2/how_to_view_jpeg_xl_images_in_nomacs_for_windows/>
JXL builds for Windows:
<https://jeremylee.sh/bin.html>
<https://encode.su/threads/3564-JXL-version-0-3-released>
And the post better be from people involved in JXL (it is not so convenient for updates and changes, but regular users can disappear, delete their account, lose interest, etc.)
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_wb_
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2021-03-18 03:04:59
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he did a lot for pik
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Jyrki Alakuijala
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2021-03-18 03:05:45
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Zoltan designed 80 % of brunsli
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2021-03-18 03:05:58
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brusnli+guetzi was the starting point of pik
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2021-03-18 03:06:13
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Zoltan designed about 60 % of pik, too
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Deleted User
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2021-03-18 03:11:28
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So he designed lots of today's VarDCT, awesome
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2021-03-18 03:14:06
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<@!794205442175402004> It looks more like an info wall than a faq though. ^^
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_wb_
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2021-03-18 03:14:44
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it's the answers without the questions 🙂
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Deleted User
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2021-03-18 03:15:00
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What about calling it introduction?
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_wb_
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2021-03-18 03:16:05
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renamed it to <#822120855449894942> for now
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Deleted User
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2021-03-18 03:16:42
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And it should get the top spot. :)
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Scope
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2021-03-18 03:22:41
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Questions can be added later, but it is quite common for faq to leave only the answers (questions are still once and somewhere asked and do not necessarily duplicate, if it is clear what the answers relate)
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2021-03-18 03:25:07
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For example
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2021-03-18 03:27:06
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Jyrki Alakuijala
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So he designed lots of today's VarDCT, awesome
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2021-03-18 03:44:22
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that is a relatively bold statement
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_wb_
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2021-03-18 03:48:29
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between the pik + fuif from 2.5 years ago and the current jxl, quite a lot happened 🙂
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fab
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2021-03-18 03:50:57
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should i paste jpeg from italy to spanish
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2021-03-18 03:51:07
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is how wikipedia needs to be used?
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2021-03-18 03:52:06
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or i should do only my language
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2021-03-18 03:52:16
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like i can't speak spanish
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2021-03-18 03:52:18
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at all
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Deleted User
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2021-03-18 04:05:56
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We should use Google Translate for the remaining languages... <:NotLikeThis:805132742819053610>
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Scope
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2021-03-18 04:17:38
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This has already been done, but on another site, for example French (and many others)
<https://fr.qaz.wiki/wiki/JPEG_XL>
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Nova Aurora
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2021-03-18 04:17:48
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Wikipedia also has the option to start from machine translation when translating
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fab
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2021-03-18 04:43:29
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done for spanish
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2021-03-18 04:43:36
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https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPEG_XL
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2021-03-18 04:43:45
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87% to italian
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2021-03-18 04:43:55
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i used the trnaslator wiki tool
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2021-03-18 04:44:04
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with all the trnaslators
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2021-03-18 04:44:37
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say if it's decent
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2021-03-18 04:45:06
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<@!139947707975467009> do you speak spanish?
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2021-03-18 04:45:42
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also convertitore is translated from english
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2021-03-18 04:45:48
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and poor english
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2021-03-18 04:45:58
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online conversion service sounds bad in english
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2021-03-18 04:46:06
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but servicio de conversion en linea
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2021-03-18 04:46:12
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servizio di conversione online
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2021-03-18 04:46:23
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sounds more honest to the ear of the italians
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Petr
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Scope
This has already been done, but on another site, for example French (and many others)
<https://fr.qaz.wiki/wiki/JPEG_XL>
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2021-03-18 04:53:24
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Yeah, but that's machine translation - not suitable for Wikipedia.
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fab
or i should do only my language
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2021-03-18 04:55:04
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You can edit Wikipedia in any language if you feel OK with it. And if you make any errors, someone else will fix them.
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fab
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2021-03-18 04:55:04
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even the italian i made in the same way
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2021-03-18 04:55:30
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El 25 de Diciembre 2020 se actuò el bitstream freeze: da este fecha todas las imágenes podrán ser decodificadas por el decoder.
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2021-03-18 04:55:33
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hahahaha
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2021-03-18 04:55:42
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da este fecha
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2021-03-18 04:55:45
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noooo
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2021-03-18 04:55:47
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de este fecha
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2021-03-18 04:55:59
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what i should do
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2021-03-18 04:56:15
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<@!792428046497611796>
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2021-03-18 04:56:29
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a partir da
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2021-03-18 04:57:16
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a partir de esta fecha
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2021-03-18 05:04:26
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petr do we need french and deutsch article
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2021-03-18 05:04:42
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or they will make when there is an interest
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2021-03-18 05:06:09
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crixis hasn't yet commented what i did because he started the article in italian
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2021-03-18 05:06:12
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the page
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Scope
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Petr
Yeah, but that's machine translation - not suitable for Wikipedia.
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2021-03-18 05:08:22
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Yes, I just wanted to say that it already exists and I don't think it's a good idea to do it in Wikipedia, especially for people who don't know the language
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zebefree
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2021-03-18 05:27:03
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<@!416586441058025472> Please do not create Wikipedia articles in languages that you don't understand. Purely machine-translated articles are not acceptable on Wikipedia.
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Deleted User
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Jyrki Alakuijala
we need more logos
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2021-03-18 05:48:04
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version 2
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Pieter
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Nova Aurora
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2021-03-18 05:55:31
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Add in the <:JPEG_XL:805860709039865937> logo 🙂
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2021-03-18 05:55:46
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or is that for the color?
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_wb_
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2021-03-18 05:58:35
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<:Xjxl:822166843313225758>
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2021-03-18 05:59:04
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<:JXL:805850130203934781> <:Xjxl:822166843313225758> <:JPEG_XL:805860709039865937>
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Deleted User
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Nova Aurora
Add in the <:JPEG_XL:805860709039865937> logo 🙂
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2021-03-18 06:02:08
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It's license doesn't allow that. ^^
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2021-03-18 06:02:55
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<@!794205442175402004> Btw, is <:JXL:805850130203934781> meant to be a slightly different color than <:JPEG_XL:805860709039865937> ?
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_wb_
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2021-03-18 06:12:45
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I don't know
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2021-03-18 06:14:15
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It's a bit less saturated than the official color
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jjido
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2021-03-18 10:18:49
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Who translated to Italian?
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2021-03-18 10:23:17
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It is not very good
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Nova Aurora
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jjido
Who translated to Italian?
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2021-03-18 10:31:40
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I think <@!416586441058025472>
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jjido
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2021-03-18 10:45:02
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My native language is french I can help with that if you like. I can read Italian but I don’t write it.
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Master Of Zen
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2021-03-18 10:46:42
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I zoomed into nasa picture
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2021-03-18 10:46:58
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"High quality"
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2021-03-18 10:47:15
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jjido
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2021-03-18 11:02:02
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JPEG XL est un format d’image matricielle qui permet la compression d’images fixes avec ou sans pertes. Il est conçu pour être plus efficace que les formats existants, il est destiné à les remplacer à terme.
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Troc
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2021-03-18 11:11:24
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Hey, I don't have thumbnails in my JXL pictures.
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Nova Aurora
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2021-03-18 11:13:22
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What's your OS?
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Troc
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2021-03-18 11:15:08
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Windows 10.
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Nova Aurora
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Troc
Windows 10.
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2021-03-18 11:17:07
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You have https://github.com/saschanaz/jxl-winthumb installed?
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Troc
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2021-03-18 11:20:22
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I don't, actually. I don't know how to install it.
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username
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2021-03-18 11:26:08
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<@!720988177648713819> you could try this it's a compiled version of this https://github.com/mirillis/jpegxl-wic which was posted in here but I don't remember who posted or who compiled it since I can't go back and find it because discord's search functionality is really bad (I posted the wrong link but the file is right)
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2021-03-18 11:27:32
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sadly it isn't fully complete and doesn't support some types of jxl
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2021-03-18 11:28:05
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forgot what specificity it doesn't support
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Troc
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2021-03-18 11:30:35
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Where do I get jpegls-wic-codec.dll?
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Scientia
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2021-03-18 11:31:01
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idk what jpeg ls is
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2021-03-18 11:31:13
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but it sure doesnt seem like jpeg xl
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2021-03-18 11:31:36
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2021-03-18 11:31:59
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"Lossless JPEG is a 1993 addition to JPEG standard by the Joint Photographic Experts Group to enable lossless compression."
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2021-03-18 11:32:09
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no this is totally different
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Troc
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2021-03-18 11:32:20
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I installed but nothing is happening:
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Scientia
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2021-03-18 11:32:41
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he provided the wrong one
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2021-03-18 11:32:44
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you need xl
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2021-03-18 11:32:45
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not ls
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2021-03-18 11:32:52
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they are totally different formats
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Troc
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2021-03-18 11:33:03
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Alright, is there a way to install JPG XL thumbnail support?
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2021-03-18 11:33:10
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On Windows 10?
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Scientia
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2021-03-18 11:33:55
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https://github.com/saschanaz/jxl-winthumb/releases/download/v0.1.2/jxl_winthumb.dll
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2021-03-18 11:34:02
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i don't use windows
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2021-03-18 11:34:08
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so i have no idea where to put it
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2021-03-18 11:34:12
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but this is the dll
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Nova Aurora
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2021-03-18 11:34:12
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You don't want me trying to compile on windows again
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Scientia
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Troc
I installed but nothing is happening:
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2021-03-18 11:34:45
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are these jpeg xl images?
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Troc
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Scientia
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2021-03-18 11:34:57
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why are they called .jpg?
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Troc
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2021-03-18 11:35:26
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That's how they came ouf of MegaPixel QT, which I use to create Jpeg XL pictures.
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Scientia
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2021-03-18 11:35:40
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somebody should make an issue on that lol
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2021-03-18 11:37:27
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.jxl is the correct extension
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2021-03-18 11:37:38
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idk if that's in the spec or anything
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2021-03-18 11:37:45
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but it's just common sense
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2021-03-18 11:39:23
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when you design a tool to help users who don't use CLI programs, you shouldn't make it more confusing by doing stuff like this
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Troc
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2021-03-18 11:39:36
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Running "regsvr32 jxl_winthumb.dll" in elevated CMD works.
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Scientia
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2021-03-18 11:39:42
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well
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2021-03-18 11:39:44
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that's good
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2021-03-18 11:39:48
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( :
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Troc
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2021-03-18 11:39:50
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Now I just need to make the files into .jxl.
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2021-03-18 11:39:56
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Thanks for the DLL, dude!
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Scientia
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2021-03-18 11:40:02
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i didn't make it
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Troc
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2021-03-18 11:40:09
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Having thumbnails is nice.
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Scientia
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2021-03-18 11:40:09
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thank saschanaz
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Troc
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2021-03-18 11:40:27
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I don't know how much time it would've taken for me to find it on my own.
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Scientia
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2021-03-18 11:40:29
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the person who built it and owns the git repo
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Scope
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2021-03-18 11:40:37
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<https://github.com/mirillis/jpegxl-wic>
https://discord.com/channels/794206087879852103/794206170445119489/817063452136046612
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Troc
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2021-03-18 11:40:47
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Well, Shaschanaz, thank you!
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spider-mario
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jjido
JPEG XL est un format d’image matricielle qui permet la compression d’images fixes avec ou sans pertes. Il est conçu pour être plus efficace que les formats existants, il est destiné à les remplacer à terme.
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2021-03-18 11:40:52
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maybe “vise à les remplacer” instead of “est destiné” ? otherwise it sounds somewhat ominous
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Troc
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2021-03-18 11:41:20
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Having thumbnails makes it nicer to manage my collection.
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2021-03-18 11:44:00
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The last part of the puzzle I need is an Android app for JXL.
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Scientia
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2021-03-18 11:46:40
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🙏 android 12 jxl 🙏
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username
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Scientia
he provided the wrong one
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2021-03-18 11:48:03
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I posted the right file but the wrong github my mistake
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Scientia
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2021-03-18 11:48:14
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nah its fine
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Scope
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2021-03-18 11:50:45
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Mirillis jpegxl-wic also works
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Troc
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Scientia
🙏 android 12 jxl 🙏
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2021-03-18 11:59:17
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Does it exist?
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Scientia
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2021-03-18 11:59:50
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uh
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2021-03-18 11:59:54
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not yet
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Troc
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2021-03-19 12:34:41
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What's the hangup?
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Nova Aurora
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2021-03-19 12:37:08
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JXL's bitstream was only frozen in December
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2021-03-19 12:37:28
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Adoption is still in it's early stages
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2021-03-19 12:43:06
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The only major app I know of that has made jxl high priority is chromium
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Troc
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2021-03-19 12:53:13
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Chromium based image viewer for Android then?
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Nova Aurora
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Troc
Chromium based image viewer for Android then?
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2021-03-19 12:56:13
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Electron based image viewer <:kekw:808717074305122316>
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Troc
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2021-03-19 12:58:23
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Whatever works.
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diskorduser
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Scientia
🙏 android 12 jxl 🙏
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2021-03-19 04:05:18
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only avif support is coming 😦
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Scientia
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2021-03-19 04:21:07
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bruh
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2021-03-19 04:22:06
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the spec is finalized and google is one of the patent owners I can't see why it wouldnt have support
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2021-03-19 04:22:11
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: /
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2021-03-19 04:26:42
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maybe google wants to focus all on using it in browser and focus less on support in things like android
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_wb_
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2021-03-19 06:09:15
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Android system support is not that important in practice — Android apps in practice package most of the libraries they use, so they can have the latest version and not the one from 5 years ago. Even things like libjpeg-turbo are often included in apks because the current version of it is a lot faster on ARM than the version that is in the Android system of phones that are currently in use.
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2021-03-19 06:12:45
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So getting in Android system is more of a PR thing than an actually important thing. It means that by 2026 or so, apks can use the libjxl from 2021 and shave off a few hundred KB from their apk size that way.
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Petr
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2021-03-19 07:58:04
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<@!794205442175402004> Hi Jon, how is Boaz doing with uploading the logo? I've checked it and one must register an account to be able to upload to https://commons.wikimedia.org. But no account is needed to approve the license at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikimedia_OTRS_release_generator. So if Boaz doesn't have an account there and doesn't want to register it, it's again a chance for me to upload the logo myself and Boaz can "just" approve it. 😄
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_wb_
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2021-03-19 08:03:56
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He hasn't responded yet, and it's weekend for him now so I don't want to bother him right now
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jjido
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spider-mario
maybe “vise à les remplacer” instead of “est destiné” ? otherwise it sounds somewhat ominous
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2021-03-19 08:29:58
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Sure, that was a first draft. Thanks for the suggestion.
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fab
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jjido
Who translated to Italian?
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2021-03-19 09:53:28
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the first three are by crixis, 4 paragraph and down by me
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2021-03-19 10:10:54
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i fixed 2 errors in the spanish version
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2021-03-19 10:11:03
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mainly accents
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2021-03-19 10:16:02
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https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPEG_XL
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2021-03-19 10:16:31
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2021-03-19 10:16:44
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error is that first paragraph isn't in bold
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2021-03-19 10:16:48
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or title
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2021-03-19 10:16:59
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so isn't recognized as a paragraph
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2021-03-19 10:33:41
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i added squoosh in the italian version
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2021-03-19 10:33:47
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maybe i confused too much
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2021-03-19 10:43:18
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also in the spanish i added with google translate
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Jim
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2021-03-19 10:50:51
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Has anyone even been able to get to Jeremy Lee's site? Every time I've tried it just times out.
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Petr
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2021-03-19 10:52:28
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Works every time for me. https://jeremylee.sh/bin.html
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Lastrosade
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2021-03-19 10:54:21
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I really need to rework this site
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Jim
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2021-03-19 10:54:23
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Odd, it doesn't work at all for me.
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veluca
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2021-03-19 11:13:26
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btw, do you compile with clang for those binaries? IIRC gcc has some issues that result in no SIMD (i.e. a lot slower)
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_wb_
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2021-03-19 11:44:27
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https://www.reddit.com/r/jpegxl/comments/m85xei/some_speccjxl_questions/
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2021-03-19 11:44:39
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Is it possible to add an alpha mask to an existing losslessly-JXL'd JPEG with current cjxl?
Would it still be possible to get the original JPEG back from such an image?
If the answer to any of the above cjxl questions is "no", would it be hard to write a program for that with current libjxl?
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2021-03-19 11:45:31
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We should make an option for cjxl to take a jpg and a grayscale image and produce a jxl with alpha, shouldn't be too hard, right?
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2021-03-19 11:46:08
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But we should also have a way to do this via the encode api. What would be a good approach for that?
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Jyrki Alakuijala
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_wb_
We should make an option for cjxl to take a jpg and a grayscale image and produce a jxl with alpha, shouldn't be too hard, right?
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2021-03-19 11:56:44
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cjxl should not become as versatile as imagemagick either, we need to be careful in adding new features
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fab
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2021-03-19 12:41:41
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i added random fixes to the spanish version
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2021-03-19 12:41:47
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many fixes
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2021-03-19 12:41:51
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i got obssessed with it
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2021-03-19 12:42:09
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i hope i will not be blocked
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2021-03-19 12:42:34
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i can't even translate software support in Spanish
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2021-03-19 12:55:16
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other than this the license Royalty-free was Royalty free
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2021-03-19 12:55:56
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then I added - then i saw the link was missing about royalty free
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2021-03-19 12:56:47
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in spanish i wrote it copy pasted but it don't display only formato abierto and a ; sign
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2021-03-19 12:56:51
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that say yes
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2021-03-19 12:57:10
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link url not working in Italian version
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2021-03-19 12:57:42
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different or non existent software as in italian, in spanish i deleted most because of having and squoosh
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2021-03-19 12:58:03
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so these articles at least mine, are full of commits and bad
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2021-03-19 12:58:16
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and i can't speak even spanish
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2021-03-19 12:58:31
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so i made a mistake
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Troc
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2021-03-19 02:06:38
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I want to open JPEG XL on my Android phone. How do I do this?
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Deleted User
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Petr
<@!794205442175402004> Hi Jon, how is Boaz doing with uploading the logo? I've checked it and one must register an account to be able to upload to https://commons.wikimedia.org. But no account is needed to approve the license at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikimedia_OTRS_release_generator. So if Boaz doesn't have an account there and doesn't want to register it, it's again a chance for me to upload the logo myself and Boaz can "just" approve it. 😄
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2021-03-19 02:07:34
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We should just upload <:Xjxl:822166843313225758> to Wikipedia (I can send you the SVG) and thus force the devs to use the logo for libjxl. 😄
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_wb_
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Troc
I want to open JPEG XL on my Android phone. How do I do this?
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2021-03-19 02:12:12
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no idea if there's an easy way at the moment. are there any android image viewers we can open issues for to integrate libjxl?
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Nova Aurora
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_wb_
no idea if there's an easy way at the moment. are there any android image viewers we can open issues for to integrate libjxl?
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2021-03-19 02:13:45
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Get your google colleagues to have it integrated in AOSP 😛
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_wb_
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2021-03-19 02:17:02
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probably better to get it in https://developer.android.com/jetpack/androidx, if we want to have something that can be used right now
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Troc
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2021-03-19 02:17:26
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I'm interested in this picture format due to being a media hoarder who cannot afford many hard drives.
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2021-03-19 02:17:37
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I access my files in Linux, Windows 10 and Android.
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2021-03-19 02:18:14
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Would there be a possibility to base a viewer on browser?
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Nova Aurora
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2021-03-19 02:18:56
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Not svg again <:PepeHands:808829977608323112>
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_wb_
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2021-03-19 02:20:30
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There are still Android 4 devices in circulation (that's the Android from 2011), and there's still a significant amount of devices with Android 7 or older (from 2016). We could try to get in Android 13 (the one that will appear in 2022), but probably apps will only be able to rely on a system-available libjxl in 2030 or so then, if the same kind of long tail of Android adoption happens as in the past.
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Troc
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2021-03-19 02:23:39
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How about a program with its own dependancies, similarly to how VLC comes with Dav1d and plays AV1 videos fine, even though the system default player just fails?
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_wb_
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2021-03-19 02:28:09
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Yes, that's how it should be done
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diskorduser
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2021-03-19 02:28:16
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AFAIK there is a simple avif viewer on android.
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Troc
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2021-03-19 02:30:31
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Yes, I tried it. It's quite bad. It has no zooming, for example.
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_wb_
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2021-03-19 02:30:36
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Someone could make a simple jxl viewer on android that just comes with libjxl. Might be nicer though to add jxl support to a general image viewer that also has features and stuff.
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Troc
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2021-03-19 02:31:03
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What I want from an image viewer is the ability to zoom in and the ability to swipe into the next image in the folder.
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2021-03-19 02:31:20
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It would be nice to have this with relative speed.
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2021-03-19 02:31:30
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By which I mean little lag.
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Nova Aurora
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2021-03-19 02:31:33
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Has someone tried google photos?
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2021-03-19 02:32:32
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The only other photo viewer I use on android is the one that came with the phone
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diskorduser
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Nova Aurora
Has someone tried google photos?
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2021-03-19 02:39:31
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I use it.
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Nova Aurora
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diskorduser
I use it.
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2021-03-19 02:40:03
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I meant tried to get them to adopt jxl
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fab
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2021-03-19 02:40:37
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just use squoosh.app
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2021-03-19 02:40:44
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and you can open one by one
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diskorduser
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Nova Aurora
I meant tried to get them to adopt jxl
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2021-03-19 02:42:15
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It doesn't even open avif he he.
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Troc
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2021-03-19 02:47:38
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Basically it's likely that JXL is viewable in Android in 2030?
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_wb_
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2021-03-19 02:47:53
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haha no I hope much earlier
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2021-03-19 02:48:04
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just not via Android system support
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Troc
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2021-03-19 02:48:15
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I could probably even pay for that lol
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Nova Aurora
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Troc
Basically it's likely that JXL is viewable in Android in 2030?
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2021-03-19 02:48:28
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It's a reference to android's software updates have glacial adoption rates
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fab
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2021-03-19 02:48:40
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which gallery to download to view images
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_wb_
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Troc
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2021-03-19 02:49:12
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I could pay 20€, but that might ne be anything to real professionals.
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2021-03-19 02:50:20
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2021-03-19 02:51:27
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I'm in the largest percentile.
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Nova Aurora
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2021-03-19 02:51:40
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This needs JXL support: https://github.com/facebook/fresco
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2021-03-19 02:52:07
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I'm on 8.0
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2021-03-19 02:52:28
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and likely to not get any more updates
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fab
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2021-03-19 02:53:16
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there is no sense in using licensed thing with ads blocked
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2021-03-19 02:53:29
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like facebook is meant to see supermarkets, singers
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Troc
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2021-03-19 02:53:36
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What?
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fab
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2021-03-19 02:53:45
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if you have no interest then delete facebook
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Troc
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2021-03-19 02:53:46
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I'm blocking all the ads I want to.
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fab
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Troc
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2021-03-19 02:54:09
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I use Facebook for business, I don't need ads there.
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fab
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2021-03-19 02:54:14
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but it has no sense if you for example aren't interested in sanremo or in the post you're friends are making
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2021-03-19 02:54:16
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worse
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2021-03-19 02:54:37
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you want to make money and others can't make from you
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Troc
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Nova Aurora
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2021-03-19 02:54:54
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I have no idea what you're saying
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fab
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2021-03-19 02:55:03
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i don't understand this social blocker
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Nova Aurora
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fab
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2021-03-19 02:55:19
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i found a link of this script for fb
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Nova Aurora
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2021-03-19 02:55:23
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I was talking about a image viewing library
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fab
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Troc
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2021-03-19 02:55:31
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"You need to watch ads to support big internet companies, they'll starve!"
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fab
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2021-03-19 02:55:47
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but anyway is useless because is not official thing
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2021-03-19 02:55:58
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and facebook will update on android 11
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Troc
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2021-03-19 02:56:26
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Many unofficial things are vastly superior to official ones.
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fab
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2021-03-19 02:56:46
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yes maybe i use some of them
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2021-03-19 02:56:57
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but are there open source image galleries?
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Troc
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2021-03-19 02:57:03
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How many things officially support JXL for example?
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2021-03-19 02:57:10
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Yes there are.
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Nova Aurora
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fab
but are there open source image galleries?
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2021-03-19 02:57:26
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https://github.com/search?q=android+image+viewer
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fab
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2021-03-19 02:57:44
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https://f-droid.org/it/packages/com.simplemobiletools.gallery.pro/
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diskorduser
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fab
https://f-droid.org/it/packages/com.simplemobiletools.gallery.pro/
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2021-03-19 02:59:43
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time to spam its sub-reddit for jxl support
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fab
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2021-03-19 03:02:31
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it opens even RAW
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