JPEG XL

first 😎

(well, second I guess)

Hi 👀

Welcome 😁

Hm, what other channels do we need?

Meh, we'll create more when needed

Feel free to invite more people here

Also, it might be better to change the default server notification settings to something like this:

done, thx for the tip

I'm a discord noob

<@!794205442175402004> There's one question that I always wanted to ask you: was this a coincidence? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0fICyBMJoA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v-xoKZBnhI

Wow

Yes

I guess we had exactly the same idea

and there's another fun fact on that video

I made that video with <@!179701849576833024>

Wow, I've noticed both of you guys are musicians. 😄

Quite nice. 👍

It's just a few lines of C to spit out ppm frames to visualize that, but remarkable that we did it in exactly the same way

you know, I had totally forgot I did that

we should make one for XYB 😄

I think: `announcements` - for new versions or important events related to Jpeg XL (with permissions to send messages only for developers) Maybe later `faq` and `rules` (when necessary)

Why are so many people coming and leaving?

Quite strange.

for me it's strange when i leave discord i loose the server, i need to re-join the server. i don't know why

Yeah I thought I got kicked or something

No idea, is there maybe a server config that is wrong by default?

Maybe it's people without registered accounts

Hey guys, nice to be here. I have next to zero understanding of how image (or any) codecs work, but I'm just a fan of these kinds of technologies so I like to watch them develop from the sidelines. ^_^

I was already a fan when I found the website of FLIF a few years ago, and then when I heard it was being combined with PIK I thought "well that sounds awesome".

I had the same issue, it started working when I switched to an older Discord accout I had but I have no idea why

hmm I think I know what the issue is if it’s still there but I’​m going to test it

ok I experienced it too there’s a setting that kicks people automatically if they aren’t given a role

you may need to find it

It’s a problem with the invite link

I believe you selected “temporary membership”

If you make a new invite without this option and post it in the jxl server again it may work

Can I have cool role too?)

I have jxl working system-wide. And converted archive of my friends to jpeg xl

<@!422317306777960448> <:cmon:798146744936300556>

Yep, the invite link should be something like this:

ok that is confusing

https://discord.gg/G92Zhu7Aua *this one* should work

or wait hmm

that one will expire after a day probably

~~discord makes it more confusing than it has to be~~

<@!111689857503375360>

hey

<@!794205442175402004> Good material about discord server management https://gist.github.com/jagrosh/342324d7084c9ebdac2fa3d0cd759d10

Level 1 server boost allows to set animated gif as server logo

https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sony-a1-officially-announced/ 6000 dollars and jpeg rendering ... what a joke

Btw mb make webhook to jpeg xl gitlab and have #git channel in info for push notifications?

yeah no one cares about jpeg on those

but the other option being PNG and fuck that

trash codec

Development repo is currently private, commits in the public repo do not have useful messages. We'll probably soon make the dev repo public, and then such a hook would indeed be nice

Greetings

Something I find slightly annoying, though I don't want to disparage anyone participating in that process: I don't like how standards bodies operate, that they own and sell copies of standards. I understand that they need to make money, and in a lot of cases its a non-issue because its a standard only relevant to people who will make money following that standard, but on the web a lot of stuff is built by people without compensation, so they can't necessarily justify purchasing standards. I don't know how accessible JXL's final standard will be, but I hope it will fall on the more accessible side of things.

I tend to agree

we unfortunately cannot make the spec available for free because ISO wants to keep it behind its paywall

but the reference software is FOSS and is basically an executable spec

I imagine that ISO's processes would make it impossible, but a kinda funny thing happened with the Common Lisp ANSI standard. There was a large committee working on it, but only a single person did the actual writing of the standard, and he did so under contract with several Common Lisp companies who had stipulated that the work they paid for be released into the public domain. When it came time to make it into an official standard, he was told by ANSI to assign the copyright to them, and they were quite confused that he said that that was impossible.

In the end he told them to add some headings and formatting and pretend that that was enough for it to count as a derivative work.

Though of course, the original document was still public domain, so I don't think anyone has ever bothered actually buying the official standard.

what seems to be somewhat common practice is for drafts to be free, and then the final version to be paid

it seems to happen a lot with C++ for example

and for JXL, there is https://arxiv.org/abs/1908.03565, though it’s quite old by now

Is there heuristics to find optimal resolution for image?

Example for usage would be photos with inflated resolution, it's quite common now that phones have inflated megapixel counts that add nothing to image in terms of quality

Here is example, 8112x10816 image from phone (not mine)

Its my pizza

This is 100% zoom on 4k display, FIDELITY NOT FOUND

Rescaled to 1/5 on both sides `1622x2162`

original on the left, 100% scale on original

Sorry for food spam 😄

`jxl -d 2.0 -s 7` for original and re-scaled are

wtf? this isn't the jpeg 2000 discord server?

I know right?

Did I hear jpeg xr? where are the .WDPs ?

I don't know such heuristics, but I guess you could just try a downscale and upscale and measure per-pixel avg and peak error wrt original and define some threshold for those below which you assume that's what the camera did to fake more megapixels

I am not going to make any jokes about j2k, jxr, jxs, jxt. I still need to go to JPEG meetings in the future 😅

I need an awcy for image formats

I'll try and run some big benchmark to graph bd rates

What metric are you going to use?

good question

Maybe butteraugli, psnr, msssim ?

I'd recommend Kornel's DSSIM, my own SSIMULACRA, or for hdr content, HDR-VDP

dssim only does rgb right ?

Butteraugli 3-norm is also good

dssim works in Lab color space internally, just like ssimulacra

I plan on testing both rgb and yuv sources

Easier to work with just 444 sources and consider ycbcr/420 as coding tools a codec is allowed to use

my sources are rgb48be/rgb24 and yuv444p

Yuv444 you can just convert to rgb, make it a 16-bit png if you worry about rounding errors

Guys, do you have any ideea why the jxl channel disappers from my discort. I always have to click the invite link to have the channel on the left bar.

The original invite seems to grant you a temporary membership

Copy this invite, leave the server and use it to join back. You shouldn't get kicked automatically anymore: https://discord.gg/2wXd42PTzA

Yes, now I'm a permanent member of the club. Thanks! 🙂

as an aside, it’s not necessarily the case that it adds nothing, higher-resolution sensors tend to produce sharper output even when downsampled to the same output resolution

compare the 4K from the α7S III (12 MP) and the R5 (45 MP): https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr29_0=sony_a7siii&attr29_1=canon_eosr5&attr72_0=4k&attr72_1=4k_hq&normalization=full&widget=200&x=-0.08919083042356162&y=0.2942636850717906

+ they provide better data for noise reduction to be effective

so, when compared at the same output size, they tend to be advantageous

just not at 100% (which implies different magnification for different resolutions)

(oops, forgot that this page has problems when the URL refers to the R5, for some reason, so one needs to select “4K (HQ)” manually on that side)

True

2 points, 1. It's important to distinct phone and dslr cameras, same in principle they have different lens+sensor pair balance. In case of phones they have sensor that can resolve bigger number of lines per mm than lens, in case of crops/full factor sensors don't have resolution as high as current generation of phones and have optics that can resolve way higher number of lines. So adding MP for big sensors with big optics have sense. Also need to note that neither sensor of lens cannot out-resolve each other, so doesn't matter if sensor resolution goes to infinity, it can't resolve bigger amount of lines than lens allows, and vice versa

2. The whole pizza photo discussion is my meta take on image compression. You can compress more efficiently if there is less data to compress to begin with)(just from resolution change), just resizing to resolution that would be optimal and introduce minimal loss would be great

it’s not just about resolving finer details, though: even at the same sampling rate, smaller pixels have a higher MTF even below Nyquist, because they act less as a box low-pass filter

see the appendix from https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2019/10/more-ultra-high-resolution-mtf-experiments/

by using smaller pixels (even without increasing their number), you increase sensor MTF, and then you might as well fill in the empty space with more pixels to get back the light gathering you lost, and avoid aliasing

the Z7 uses that trick for example: https://www.strollswithmydog.com/nikon-z7-insane-sharpness/

<:feelsreadingman:714771769847840808>

Interesting. I completely forgot name of MTF but remembered principle)

btw, while we on topic of photos, here is what I have

Should we start a photography channel?

These discussions and examples are interesting enough and not quite "off-topic"

+ from me

It exists

a very good starting point

I wish I could move the above into the new channel but I guess that cannot be done

maybe there’s some integration going on if we copy/paste links from here, let me try

doesn’t seem like it

Microsoft Edge :)))) ...or better yet....Safari

There are only 3 browsers left in the world, really.

Chrome, any of them)

Yes, I found it strange also

They refused everything for so long but added av1 quickly

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-let-them-fight-fight-ken-watanabe-watanabe-gif-5687182

av1 and jxl :))

Maybe you can make some RAW pictures with your phone

with a Canon or Nikon camera (and possibly others), you can shoot raw and import that in Canon’s or Nikon’s software and get an image with the same rendering as out-of-camera JPEGs

just in higher quality

and with better processing, etc etc

"Chrome accepts av1, as long as you wrap it in an avif container (producing a non-spec-compliant avif file)." <@!794205442175402004> Do you happen to have an example file? Or which tool allows the creation of such AVIF hack?

not sure what the easiest way to do that is, maybe MP4Box can do it?

mozilla was quite heavily involved in av1, the Daala team was part of mozilla... so not so surprising they like avif too

I assume TVs will support it at some point (they have margins for some licensing costs), and old-fashioned broadcast might use it, if it's sufficiently better than AV1

Any jxl related pick up lines?

Are you progressively encoded?

Cause you're looking better by the second.

I tried writing a few more, but they're all too terrible

what are the conditions for the 'early adopter' role?

No idea

Running cjxl at least once?

Who in this server hasn't?

(tbf, it's safe to assume i'd imagine that a good chunk joining the server this early on could be considered early adopters :p)

Fair enough

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7hFeMWC6Y5eaSixbD/100-tips-for-a-better-life > 95. Some types of sophistication won’t make you enjoy the object more, they’ll make you enjoy it less. For example, wine snobs don’t enjoy wine twice as much as you, they’re more keenly aware of how most wine isn’t good enough. Avoid sophistication that diminishes your enjoyment.

working on image compression be like ^

“now I can spot all the artifacts!”

“ugh, the chroma subsampling in this image ruins the reds”

“yuck, deinterlacing artifacts”

Oh yes. I have trouble watching TV because the compression artifacts distract me

And thrillers are mostly scary because of all the color banding in the dark scenes 😱 😱 😱

Truly terrifying

Can't wait until encoders will learn to identify the plot armor, so I could tell who will die first by amount of compression artifacts on their face. **32x32 block pops on character face** -Oh cmon, I just started rooting for them(

With the possible application of machine learning to encoding, this might not be as far away as you think

Soon compression artifacts will be things like an actor that has the wrong face for a few glitchy frames 😂

*sips expensive tea*

Now I'm imagining a epic LOTR style battle with all the extras replaced with nicholas cage

Thoughts on Rust based jxl encoder/decoder? Is encoder software stuck forever with c/c++ ?

for me personally, I don't really see many benefits from using rust for a jxl en/decoder - it might be that I'm a lot more used to C++, but from my experiences with rust I'd say that modern C++ is pretty much equivalent (although I sometimes do miss the magic macros...)

wow that banding is distracting

<:banding:804346153616408596>

hm at emoji size it's not that bad, lol

<:banding:804346788982030337>

that's better

now we have an emoji for horrible color banding

because that is an emotion

happy, sad, angry, surprised, LOOKING-AT-COLOR-BANDING

You can "fix" the banding with dithering/noise

It still uses the same five colours from the emoji and has the same resulotion, but it looks better

yes – not so good for PNG compression though, just having the full-color gradient is probably better

Man of culture as well 😉 Also been there since FLIF, but then made a break so unfortunately I haven't tried FUIF yet, when I first heard about it it was too late so I jumped straight into JPEG XL

That'd actually be a neat idea to smuggle JPEG XT together with JPEG XL in a single update 😃

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Also, ``.club`` <a:pepelaugh:750221512287584336>

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We need mods!

True

It's not even just spam, it's also scam. Original domain is ``.com`` and that one's ``.club``... gotta love those website copies

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<@&803357352664891472> Does anyone have rights to ban?

afraid not

not sure if I did it right (probably ban != kick)

yeah, lasted a whole 10 seconds

<@!794205442175402004> do you?

Maybe also nice if the link could be censored?

Don't know if Discord hast a blacklist for that.

I like how they came back after the kick <:pepeOK:714594910740938825>

maybe a rule channel should be added?

Man, I sure need help writing an essay. If only I could find help here, in a server about an image encoding largely unrelated to essays! /s

write your essay on image encoding!

“4:2:0 considered harmful”

"On why GIF is pronounced GIF, GIF, no, no, no you're saying it wrong!"

"On why the best image encoding system is lossy apng"

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https://i.imgur.com/nCTjG87.gif

Soon it won't matter, it will instead be pronounced "jxl"

Jaxal

/ʤəksəl/ or /gəksəl/?

Oh great IPA

amusingly, in French, the pronunciation would slightly resemble « j’excelle », “I excel”

I don't remember IPA spellings

/ʒ‿ɛksɛl/

I like my images as jixels, that codec is good at preserving my pixels

g ehxcel

but the right is J- X - L

There was a message here asking about being sued by Excel but it's gone now

sued by Excel for copying the 6692nd column of course

(after opening a spreadsheet I have now realized Excel does not strictly follow base 26 so my joke might be off)

You can't patent the idea of the alphabet

you can patent almost anything else though

Pretty much how I learned of this project

The legend says that if you type the 4th "-v" to cjxl -h it prints your heart's deepest desire 🙂

Now I'm tempted to make that just output ``` 42 ``` or something like that

Just so you know you've hit max verbosity and get the answer to life, the universe, and everything instead of just more encode options

an Easter egg would be fun

reminds me of this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/92186

So, I just thought about something.

Before JPG, was there any lossy general purpose image compression algorithm?

I don't think so

well unless you count palettization as lossy compression, but generally that is considered lossless

probably there were some weak lossy proprietary internal formats used in games or whatever, but nothing publicly available afaik

Ah ok then. I do know there was GIF, but that's lossless, and not exactly the most efficient. Before that, from the research I've read up on the subject, it's that most of the compression schemes before hand were just about reducing resolution, color depth, change in color format, and chroma subsampling. 😄

For high fidelity, images must be compared at suitable bpp, this image is WAY WAY below what is usually reasonable for image compression and it shows amazing result. Just WOW. The whole idea of this comparison and this image to show what codec capable of in extreme condition. Huge size constrains, obviously codec need to simplify data to fit in that size, it's same as saying that jxl is bad because if you set `-q 6` or `-d 9`, because it's intentional push of codec and compression to it's limits, to see how far you can go before it just breaks. And saying "look at all of those imperfections, it's not perfect at `0.03` bpp, which is `1/5` - `1/20` of a bbp of default image on the internet that looks fine' Same expectations would be from 200$ budget phone that it's not as good as fresh 2000$ iphone and going down on 200$ phone for everything where it's worse, instead of admiring what value it have to it at that price-point. My personal example for huge compression. I help on video compression side of things to develop film/video streaming platform which targets Lebanese, they have bad internet, really bad, stats: `..average of 1.69 Mbps download and 1.18 Mbps upload speeds across all..` and they explicitly say and empathize, that (rephrased ) `we want movie be as small as possible that people can possible watch it without buffering, from what we see AV1 is our best choice because it can compress further than x264/vp9, saving bit-rate without breaking down into block mess`. Ladder of bit rates cover ~300kbps -> 5 000 Kbps for AV1, ~1200 -> 10000 Kbps (on average, I use my own target quality). This image with JXL(all defaults) 492 KB, it looks amazing, just like the original 34.6 MB png, I couldn't spot the difference. We could wish to only use lossless for everything and everywhere, but constrains of real world force us to manage infinite demands with limited resources, and JXL, AV1, VVC, OPUS are amazing, huge thanks for people that do this for all of us.

So.. don't nitpick on 35KB image, cmon <:cmon:798146744936300556>

It is an amazing result at 35kb, but just be careful what conclusions you draw from that data point. Valid conclusion: that vvc encoder did a great job to get maximum appeal at that insanely low bitrate, way better than the jxl encoder result. Invalid conclusions: - the vvc encoder is also better than the jxl encoder at preserving fidelity at higher bitrates - vvc is better than jxl at these bitrates (we don't know that, you can compare encoders but not codecs, and these encoders were built with very different targets in mind) - we should compress all our photos down to that size

"pushing a coded to its limits" is a fun exercise and gives visually interesting results, but it's not a very good evaluation methodology. You don't normally use codecs at those operating points. It says something about what operating point the encoder (and to some extent, the codec) was designed for, but that's it.

Well for video streaming at 4K or 8K and 60 fps, bitrate of course still very much matters.

But yes, for still images generally we can afford to not have to turn people into plastic

Meanwhile social media compresses images until it looks like absolute 💩 :p

Jyrki is working on making jxl look nicer at lower bitrates

But I think it's better to avoid going above --distance 6

In 99% of use cases

If bandwidth is a big problem, like when sending images from space or something, progressive encoding is still a better option than just reducing quality by a lot

Agree with valid conclusions. 👆 Invalid ones is not really a conclusions that I myself have in mind I started my post with acknowledgment this is not valid toe to toe codec comparison for high fidelity. For me it's experiment of discovery at extreme condition, and I can talk about only what I have seen so far (2 images) >- we should compress all our photos down to that size Don't make that one, didn't meant in anything like that any way. 😁 All my images are lossless jxl or jpeg repacked with jxl >"pushing a coded to its limits" is a fun exercise and gives visually interesting results, but it's not a very good evaluation methodology. You don't normally use codecs at those operating points. It says something about what operating point the encoder (and to some extent, the codec) was designed for, but that's it. I agree, this is just experiment that showed me (and others) that something can operate at those constrains/conditions. >But yes, for still images generally we can afford to not have to turn people into plastic We never should, if not forced otherwise by constrains. The irony, man, begin I reply to <@!111689857503375360> image to say that he draws wrong evaluations from comparison (extending to cover everything instead of looking at it as a single data point, experiment, discovery), and get reply to myself that extending this comparison to cover everything . Oh life

Anyway, what I'm seeing here is that we're all learning about nice stuff here. 😛

I was assuming that you knew those things, <@!258670228819410944> – I just replied for the record, i.e. for others. People who don't understand how codecs work tend to draw the invalid conclusions...

😘

I think we can all agree on that, <@!111689857503375360>

there a limit for internet data, AV1 exists for that.

at least this is what Google makes us believe.

Any suggestions on how to grow this discord?

I am a discord noob

Hm

There are ways, but not sure if any are that effective since jpeg xl isn't a topic most people are interested in (mostly just people who're interested in image/video compression)

Most people join servers, because they see invites at public places (like social media and public Discord server lists), but not sure if anyone would join if it gets posted on a public server list, but might be worth a try with the right tags. With some luck a nice person with a lot of knowledge of image compression will join

Yeah, same with our subreddit. This is a pretty niche topic (and still quite fresh).

Almost everyone is on AV1 subreddit and Discord, the format's been there for a while

They know it and they don't mind other format-related offtopic, one citation from their Discord when Jon posted an invitation link: > well this server occassionally turns into h265 central so i don't think it's rlly an issue lol

It also helps that AV1 sometimes gets used for videos that get a lot of views like on YouTube

YouTube actually made me interested in AV1 :p

Yeah, AV1 has that "cool" vibe and managed to get some reputation since 2018, so lots of general codec-related stuff is discussed here

It would be nice to make a panel like /r/AV1 with a link to discord and other necessary information

but that is only for old.reddit so most user don't see that

Yes, but many people still use it, although quantity does not always mean quality, I often notice how people start to distract developers directly because they are too lazy to google or try to do the simplest steps themselves

Good point. Not interested in that kind of quantity

That "distracting" thing sadly seems to be a relevant issue for most groups <a:sadd:714292010982441001>

Gotta love <@!282859044593598464> sending a DM after every message sent here

Yes I think I didn't config it right

It sends duplicate "rewards"

It keeps calling me noob

Most servers I've been in used MEE6 or Arcane for leveling rewards

I managed to install a bot just to have it call me noob all the time

One of their features is a server leaderboard with role rewards and it's easy to configure

Lol. Getting called noob by a bot is <:pepeOK:714594910740938825>

Yep, bots can also be annoying to people and it's better to use only the really necessary ones

True

At least the bot stopped calling me noob

It now calls me "curious"

The leveling order is Noob -> curious -> early adopter -> enthusiast

But somehow it just keeps calling me noob

Only called me noob thrice

Also I don't know how to invoke bot commands

Seems like it has a cooldown and every time you get chat xp/level up it send you a message with your current rank instead of only adding the role once you achieve it

Guess you could kick the bot from the server :p

I personally prefer these bots: <https://mee6.xyz/> <https://www.arcanebot.xyz/>

But some people don't like it when bots ping them when they level up

I can disable that

Ah or maybe I cannot even disable the pms

Ugh will try a different bot

#top

Wonder if it gives XP if I'm in VC alone

#profile

#avatar <@!309408702530846730>

For example, I like how the OBS (Open Broadcaster Software) server is organized (only with the necessary bots for commits, logs and quick help), and it is also neutral in design <https://discord.gg/obsproject>

That's the way I prefer most servers

#avatar <@!219525188818042881>

Lol ``size=1024``

ok killing this bot

https://tenor.com/view/pousarmic-coffin-dance-dancing-pallbearers-wide-gif-17601077

Just when I reached level 3 <a:sadd:714292010982441001>

!levels

Here is **JPEG XL**'s leaderboard: <https://mee6.xyz/leaderboard/794206087879852103>

!rank

<:XMARK6:403540169992568833> You aren't ranked yet. Send some messages first, then try again.

<a:sadd:714292010982441001>

pff I can't make it assign roles

not in the free version at least

bye mee6

Rip

Always worked though <a:saddance:525445131248074754>

👋 **Hello! Thanks for adding me to your server** Hopefully I can help add a fresh coat to your server. <:arcaneblob:584978708918697984> Configure your server: <https://arcanebot.xyz/dashboard/794206087879852103> Commands: `ahelp` or <https://arcanebot.xyz/commands>

<:cheems:667466679273390149>

Kinda sad that bots used to be completely free without premium features and now you have to pay to basically use them for anything

At least Arcane seems to be working for free

That moment when you have to use scaling to be able to add a bot... on a 1440p monitor <:pepeOK:714594910740938825>

<@219525188818042881> has reached level **1**. GG!

aleaderboard

JPEG XL's leaderboard: https://arcanebot.xyz/leaderboard/jxl

aavatar <@!219525188818042881>

Lol. Even worse avatar command <:reecat:786377447381532682>

``size=256``

ok

let's see how the role leveling thing works with this one

Hope it works

not a big problem if it doesn't, just seems nice to have some roles based on activity

Gotta collect em all <:Pokeball2:756650938139410503>

also added a gitlab integration

aavatar <@!258670228819410944>

I should probably send the Arcane devs a message about their avatar command, because ``size=256``

What is the purpose of the avatar command? Just to see a bigger version of the avatar?

aavarar <@794205442175402004>

Blah

aavatar <@794205442175402004>

Basically

But it doesn't work properly since it resizes the image to max. 256p

If the would have used ``size=4096`` then it would send the native res instead of the resized one, but for some reason many bot owners don't know that

Lol Arcabe bot. Couldn't tell them about it unless I either give them money directly or boost their server <:kekw:758892021191934033>

aavatar <@!219525188818042881>

aavatar <@!219525188818042881>

Yay, the annoying white borders which Discord added after resizing are gone

Careful, the image degrates everytime it gets posted! ^^

I've lost my `early adopter` role 😦

Happens when you're active and the bot gives you roles :(

Lol. I got it back when I sent that message

I'm kinda active, so how quickly will I get it back?

<@!794205442175402004> Might be better if the ``early adopter`` role isn't in the level rewards list

Then people won't lose it after chatting

Only a few messages

But there's a coldown on receiving xp

About 1 minute

WTF, <@!794205442175402004> still has `noob` role lol

Uh shouldn't take too long to get it back I think

Only too bad I'll lose the role soon

Hm

Guess it will be better if the early adopter role will be given manually

Ok then

Done

Early adopter is manual only now

Gotta love Discord when you're new to it. At first all those bots and permissions can be confusing <:frogsadd:716098787176874105>

Noob, Curious, Enthusiast are auto given by the bot based on activity

⚪ <a:VerifiedYellow:798877413584535552> <a:VerifiedGreen:798874798389592086>

Might be nice if we would have more emojis

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Allowing early adopters to manage emojis now

Don't go too crazy though or I will change my mind, lol

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I have a little utility bot if you're interested, does math and unit conversions, couple of other small things.

Sure why not

Here is how it works

&calc 1 + 1

```1 + 1 = 2```

accepts lots of different kinds of expressions, see the documentation of the `qalc` linux utility for more details.

&units 42 furlong per fortnight ; meter per second

oh oops

&units 42 furlong per fortnight ; meter per second

```* 0.006985 / 143.16392```

there

this is the `units` utility, with `;` separating input and desired unit.

also has fortune if anyone is into that sort of thing

&fortune

oh, jeez, so much I've forgotten to install on my new server 😬

&fortune

```I am a conscientious man, when I throw rocks at seabirds I leave no tern unstoned. -- Ogden Nash, "Everybody's Mind to Me a Kingdom Is"```

&calc 2^24

```2^24 = 16777216```

I read that as “Uetlibot”

(could be because I live not too far from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uetliberg )

haha

&calc 0/0

```0 / 0 = 0/0```

&calc 2 * pi

```2 × pi ≈ 6,283185307```

ooh nice

&calc tau

```tau ≈ 6,283185307```

yesss

&calc infinity ^ tau

```(+∞)^tau = +∞```

neat!

&calc 2^(e * pi)

sometimes i can't break things, and that's okay 😌

&calc 2^(e * pi)

```2^(e × pi) ≈ 372,1483999```

&calc e ^ (pi * i)

```e^(pi × i) = −1```

&calc 666^666^666^666^666^666^666^666

```warning: Floating point overflow 666^(666^(666^(666^(666^(666^(666^666)))))) ≈ 666^(666^(666^(666^(666^(666^2,715417593E1880)))))```

nyehehe

&calc 100!

```factorial(100) ≈ 9,332621544E157```

&calc 1000!

```factorial(1000) ≈ 4,023872601E2567```

&calc 10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

```multifactorial(10; 16) = 10```

&calc 10000!

&calc 10000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

```factorial(10000) ≈ 2,846259681E35659```

```multifactorial(10000; 23) ≈ 1,768495543E1552```

&calc (10^10)!

&calc NaN!

```newton × factorial(attonewton) = factorial(1E-18 N) × N```

&calc 1000000!

```Calculating (press Enter to abort) factorial(1000000) ≈ 8,263931688E5565708```